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Need to Know: What would a good 2015 for Redskins’ RG3 look like?

Mar 19, 2015, 5:08 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, March 19, 42 days before the Washington Redskins go on the clock at the NFL draft.

Question of the day

A few days a week I’ll give an in-depth answer to a question submitted by a fan on my Twitter feed, via the Real Redskins Facebook page, or in the comments section here. On Twitter address the questions to me at @Rich_TandlerCSN with the #NTK hashtag. There will be a comment thread set up on the Facebook page and if you’re asking your question here, put “for NTK” at the start of the comment.

Today’s question is from Twitter:

Normally it’s one question to a tweet here but we can answer the first one pretty quickly. For 2015 to be successful they have to show real progress. That may not mean a lot more wins than they had in 2014 but they will need to show fight and have their free agents and at least a few of their draft picks playing well. If they can win 6 games or so and end the season with the arrow pointing up that will be a success.

If they are going to appear to have some momentum after the 2015 season it sure would help to have a quarterback who is playing well and improving. Robert Griffin III will be given first crack at being that QB.

He’s had an up-and-down ride since the last few weeks of the 2012 season and it hasn’t stopped this offseason. Things were looking up in late February when Gruden said that he will be the starter going into the season. Then here were reports that the Redskins would seriously consider drafting Marcus Mariota with the fifth pick in the draft. When that talk died down the team re-signed Colt McCoy, who started three games ahead of a healthy Griffin in 2014.

But adversity is part of the job and Griffin will have to deal with it. But back to the question of what Griffin will have to do to remove any doubt that he is the No. 1 quarterback.

Let’s look at this in terms of the middle ground. To some Griffin doubters nothing short of a combination of and RG3 2012 and a vintage Tom Brady type of performance would remove their misgivings. All he has to do is line up properly behind center and complete a pass every once in a while and he’ll be fine in the eyes of the more loyal Griffin fans.

But to most reasonable people, a group that includes Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan, Griffin has to show substantial progress as a pocket passer. That doesn’t mean he can’t run and roll out and do the occasional read option. But he does need to be able to drop back and throw a pass before the receiver is out of his break and trust that he will be there to catch the pass. At no point can Griffin run out of bounds six yards behind the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball away. If he is looking at his first read that receiver is open he needs to pull the trigger on the pass or, if not, be successful in finding an alternative.

And Griffin doesn’t have time to waste in getting better. This can’t wait until November. He has to hit receivers coming out of their breaks in OTAs. If we’re at training camp and we see him hold onto the ball and pump and hesitate and scramble around, he’s in trouble. If we’re seeing that, Griffin might not make it to the regular season as the starter.

Don’t get me wrong; he doesn’t have to master pocket passing right away. But he does have to show some solid signs of progress

In short, Griffin needs to be competent. Last year he was not, at least not often enough to remove doubts.

It’s up to him. If he doesn’t get it done he has nobody to blame but himself.


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  1. Rich - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:36 AM

    Wondering if the skins have shown any interest in tackle Barksdale from St. Louis. I read that he is an ascending starter type player. Also do you think that the Redskins might try to transition Murphy to middle linebacker for Riley’s spot if the take a pass rushing olb early. Thanks for all of your info. HTTR!!!

    • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:39 AM

      All of the offensive linemen they showed interest in have been signed, have heard of no interest in Barksdale. Murphy will not be moving to inside linebacker, there will be plenty of snaps for him in nickel situations if they do draft another edge rusher.

    • Nicholas - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:51 AM

      It’s a team sport so everyone needs to be accountable even coaching/playcalling. We haven’t had success at the QB position since Mark Rypien and he had the posse and a hell of a O-line(and Joe Gibbs). RGIII needs to improve but the culture, line, coaching, defense, special teams, etc needs work as well.

  2. sidepull - Mar 19, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    Rg3? What would look good? Low number of turnovers. Quit holding on t the ball and taking unnecessary sacks,
    show progress in his ability to read defenses and put pressure on the defense by using his legs. He has to keep them honest. His legs are what made him special and unique. If they have no fear of him running he has lost one of his advantages already. Stay healthy and for once learn to slide. That would be an improvement.

    • Magic Mike - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM

      Everyone is putting the blame on rgIII. Why is No one saying anything about our terrible offensive line? Improve the line and quarterback play will improve! Just look at Dallas. Tony Romo had time to go through his progressions last year and his turnovers where cut in half.

      • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:36 AM


        Griffin needs to play better. Period. He knows that, not sure why his apologists can’t understand it.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:05 AM

          Rich what I dont understand is why the Oline gets a pass on how bad they blockn You yourself wrote how most of the time RG3 had 2.8 seconds from snap to sack. They definitely dont pass the eyeball test. People defending RG3 are just seeing how bad the Oline played. If the Oline played decent I would be bashing the QB. Everybody agrees the Oline is subpar and needs fixed. It all starts up front No Protection/ No Time = Bad Offense. Its simple.

        • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          I’ll take my eyeballs, PFF’s stopwatch, Jay Gruden’s eyeballs and analysts who I respect over your eyeballs.

          If you just think he needs more time to throw to be successful, fine. I’m not going to waste any more time trying to convince you or anyone else otherwise. But Not even Griffin would agree with that.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:38 AM

          Rich when he had time he produced in 2012 he had more time and was able to go through his progressions. In 2013 when the Olinemen gave him time in the first half of the Giants game he produced. Against the Vikings he scored 26 points the guy has proven when given time he produces. Thats what me and other fans see.

        • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:46 AM

          Tim, there is a 700-word article above written by a guy who covers the team for a living. I have supplied some additional information here in the comments. If you choose not to believe it that’s fine, that’s your right. I won’t take it personally.

          Have a great day.

        • Travis - Mar 20, 2015 at 10:58 AM

          I will say this! You are both right! Yes RG3 needs more time, but have been many of instances in which he had time and held on to the ball too long and either took a sack, threw a pick or taken off running when there was a wide open receiver down field! I am a huge RG3 fan! Man that kid has athletic ability and a cannon for an arm! He has amazing potential, but he is not as much of a student of the game as he needs to be! He should be spending a lot more time in the film room learning to read defenses! Also he didn’t really have that much more time in 2012, but he didn’t need it because most of his passes were quick slants or bubble routes! He was a product of that system as much as the system was of him, but if he wants to be a pro – style Qb then he needs to hit the film room with coaches and learn to read defenses!

  3. unklewheez - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:30 AM

    “Griffin needs to be competent.” Year four and we just want him to be competent.

    • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:40 AM

      Can’t undo the last two years. Not realistic to expect him to be Aaron Rogers, or even Tony Romo. Competence would represent a huge leap forward for him, all that can realistically be expected.

      • ET - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM

        And, really, setting the bar at “competence” is enough for a few extra wins if the running game is working and the defense is marginally better. The latter two seem realistic by most measures. So I’d be happy with competence next season.

  4. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:52 AM

    RGIII has a tendency to move in the pocket INTO trouble…unlike some QBs who feel pressure and manage to evade it.

    He tends to stare down one receiver he wants to throw to.

    And he gets happy feet and throws the ball off his back foot.

    He needs to get better at all these. And I wonder if that first one (innate feel for what’s going on in the pocket around you) is something you either have or you don’t.

  5. 214hof - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:57 AM

    Rob IMO would have to do a few things to call this upcoming season a “success”. First and foremost would be to protect himself.(start and finish a 16 game schedule) and the ball. (improve TD/INT ratio) An improved 3rd down % wouldn’t hurt him either although I know a lot more then just poor QB play was to blame about that.

  6. Stephfan - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    Let the griffin haters commence lol. I’ll agree that he needs to work on being a better pocket qb but I’m hopeful that he will progress

  7. deepball1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:14 AM

    Rich have you heard about this new device that SuperBob has invested in, which is basically, as I understand it, a virtual reality type of Giant Screen Set up which allows him to read and react to various Defensive Fronts?

    from what I heard it is quite costly, it is HIGH tech, and is on the cutting edge of new NFL technology. Although Griffin has said he knows how to read NFL defenses presnap…….I think we all had a good laugh or two over that statement. But none of us were laughing at the obvious results. So see if you can find out more info on this Super Tech device which is supposed to help our QB. thanks

    • Stephfan - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:17 AM

      Where do you get this outlandish reports from?

      • BornIntoThisHTTR - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:32 AM

        They were talking about it on total access last night

      • deepball1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:34 AM

        I got the report from that outlandish NFL NETWORK.

      • brucefan1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 1:23 PM


        Why would you call that report outlandish, Steph?

        Is it because you are one of those who were CERTAIN Griffin was sitting around at home just taking selfies and posting to Facebook, while doing NOTHING to improve his craft — or because you’d never before HEARD of such a hi-tech device? (Neither had I !!)

        Inquiring minds want to know! ;^}

        • Stephfan - Mar 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM

          Look here Bruce I don’t think rg is doing any of those things.. I think he is getting ready for the season

    • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:38 AM

      Just heard of it last night on NFL Net. Interesting as a learning tool, we’ll see it helps.

      I’ll ask him about it next time he has media availability.

      • bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:51 AM

        Is this part of his master’s that he has been working on since his rookie year? The comments sounds similar to what I read back in 2012 before the season.

    • brucefan1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 1:15 PM

      Hmmm…why can’t you believe that he can’t read the defense PRE-SNAP, deep?! Fwiw, I DON’T doubt it — mainly because that seems relatively easy for an NFL QB to do, no?!

      And ultimately not of crucial importance either, perhaps?

      Cuz it’s AFTER the snap, when things start moving FAST, and the defense starts to do what they really intended to do — NOT what they showed pre-snap — and the rush starts getting close, and Griffin gets happy feet and looks to flee, where things start going KA-BLOOEY!

      It’s how a QB reacts to THOSE moments that separate the stick-outs from the journeymen. And until Griffin proves he can handle all that with aplomb on a regular basis, he not going to be a successful NFL QB.

      (So I hope you might consider changing your claim that “we all had a good laugh or two over that statement” about his pre-snap reads, to “we all — BUT ONE — had a good laugh or two over that statement”! LOL!)

  8. Stephfan - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:19 AM

    I think it funny how people wanna talk about how griffin can’t do this and that.. I ask you all a question could any of you do any better than him, cousins, or McCoy? But let some of you guys tell it McCoy is the answer lmao

    • warpath1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:57 AM

      I don’t think anyone on this post would say they they can. If you were in the forth year of your job your boss would expect you to understand the fundamentals, right.

      • bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:56 AM

        Of course your boss would expect that. Also, deliberately meaning to be nitpicking, he is not yet in his fourth year. He was drafted in late April, 2012.

    • bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:04 AM

      If any of us could, we wouldn’t be commenting on this blog. Stop with that. RG3 is CLEARLY the best quarterback on this blog – if he’s commenting. Heck, Rex Grossman is. Even John Beck. Colt Brennan, perhaps. The point is NO Redskins QB past or present is among the commenters.

      The question is whether Grifin can develop into the quarterback the Redskins need and until sometime in May, we don’t even know if he will be given the chance. Sure, I heard what the coach said. I, also heard what he said last year after Tampa Bay and after San Fran when Griffin Haynesworthed it getting up slow in a two-minute drive.

      • skinsgame - Mar 21, 2015 at 11:10 AM

        “Haynesworthed” is perhaps the best adjective I have heard since the winter solstice. Go buy yourself your favorite adult beverage and mail the receipt to me. I will reimburse you.

  9. timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:36 AM

    The Offensive Line has to be able to block for more than 2 seconds. If that dont happen than No QB will succeed.

    • Rich Tandler - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:58 AM

      Per PFF, Griffin had an average of 2.94 seconds to throw. Only 4 QB’s had more time, on average.

      Griffin needs to play better. Period.

      > > >

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:08 AM

        No way he had that much time before he had to scramble thats not what I saw each game they must be timimg the slow motion replay.

      • renhoekk2 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:09 AM

        Rich, stop bringing facts into this. It doesn’t discourage them anyway. All McCloughan has to do is trade for the entire Dallas OL and then convince Belichick to leave NE for DC. Then we’ll all see Griffin’s true greatness.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:12 AM

          So you and Rich are saying we have a top 5 Oline?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:19 AM

          Guess there wont be no response to that.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:22 AM

          Should have wrote a instead of no double negative

        • renhoekk2 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          Do you think Russell Wilson has had a great OL in SEA to develop behind? Last season they were one play away from winning the Superbowl with the 21st ranked OL. The year before when they WON the SB they had the 23rd ranked OL. That same year the Redskins had the 19th ranked OL. With a better OL the Skins won 3 games. Russell Wilson took his team to the SB and won. So please continue to tell us how the OL is Griffin’s Achilles Heel.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:47 AM

          How much more is the Seahawks running the ball than us? The Seahawks are also running allot of zone read, Pistol, Bootlegs, read option, and shotgun to cover up for their Oline deficiencies something we are not doing Explain how that doesn’t hurt us.

        • renhoekk2 - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:12 AM

          Tim. Last season SEA ran the ball 8 more times a game. The year before when SEA won the SB and the Skins won 3 games it was only 3 times more per game. Not a huge difference considering one team was usually winning late in games and the other was losing. I doubt those three running plays where the actual difference between the success of the two teams.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Them? I’ve already had my pointless argument with Tim.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:31 AM

          I’m pretty sure I also mentioned The Seahawks also ran More Read Option, Zone Option Pay Action Pistol Shotgun and Bootlegs Than us to cover for the bad Oline. Wich we didnt do much of

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:14 AM

        Im sure those numbers are off because they are couting the couple of times he ran around escaping pressure.

      • warpath1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:16 AM

        QB has to know where the pocket is

      • deepball1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:41 AM

        time to throw and WHEN you throw are TWO different things. A quarterback could have 7 seconds but if he REFUSES to throw until the receiver is standing in the middle of the field waving his hands…..well…….

        Anticipation is the word. Griffin does not have Anticipation. He cannot Anticipate where the receiver WILL BE very well. He holds the ball until he sees the receiver OPEN. Which many times is too late to make the throw and that accounts for the turnovers, fumbles and interceptions, as well as passes defended.

        An offensive line will not solve that problem.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:51 AM

          A second year in a system so you know where that guy will be will help that though. But if a guy is getting bum rushed almost every play its kind of hard to evaluate the guy. He has produced before when given time

  10. troylok - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Rich, I know RG3 needs to play better but don’t you think Gruden could help him a lot by putting in a little more bootlegs, rollouts and read option into his offense? If the issue is it takes him longer to read a defense, then rolling out buys him a little more time to do that. Why make him stay in the pocket where you know he isn’t going to read the defense fast enough? It seems like Gruden is setting him up for failure.

    • deepball1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:49 AM

      a QB does not READ the defense during the play. He READS the defense PRE SNAP. BEFORE the play begins. Great quarterbacks have to know their options BEFORE the ball is snapped based on what the defense looks like. Remember, most of the time the ball is thrown in 3 seconds or less. There is no time during the play to scan the field, READ a defense, figure out the scheme, and then calculate the next move.

      Things are slow 5 seconds before the snap. After that, things are a blur until it hits ESPN and then we get to see everything in sloooooooow motion.

    • Arthur Aiken - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM

      I totally agree.

    • brucealmty - Mar 19, 2015 at 2:07 PM

      Bootlegs, rollouts, read options are sure to get RG hit, Hit, and HIT again. RG3’s legs as a weapon went down with the Haloti Ngata hit and the dislocated ankle.

    • redskinscaio - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM

      They did run those plays you mention. They just can’t run them all the time.

      • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:31 PM

        They clearly didn’t run bootlegs and rollouts enough with Griffin last year, because they ran them more with Colt McCoy as their qb.

        I think that may have been because Griffin was not close 100 when he came back last year, something he just recently admitted.

        • bowlregard - Mar 20, 2015 at 5:41 AM

          In the short time Griffin was in against the Jags he ran two read options, and then was injured on a rollout. When he came back after the injury he didn’t have the same mobility. Hopefully by now he is recovered.

  11. warpath1 - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Can argue with that logic

  12. timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM

    Rich Im curious who were the other 4 QBs that had more time to throw? Was Cousins one of them? And do you REALLY think we have a TOP 5 Pass Blocking Oline? If so why is everyone screaming we need Offensive linemen?

    • bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:23 AM

      ‘Everyone’ is screaming we need an Offensive line because we are taking too many sacks. Fans don’t see the receiver open at 2.5 seconds; they just see the quarterback in a pile in 3 seconds. They see the defender coming free. The quarterback – like it or not – as to stand and deliver.

      Two plays from last year:

      1) Griffin’s ankle injury. According to football folks (Chris Cooley and others), Jackson was open briefly before Griffin scrambled right and made a great throw off the dislocation. All he needed to do was deliver on time but he held it, scrambled, and made a play.

      2) Cousins floater to Paul in stride on the sideline. Cousins was under heavy duress from the right as the end slipped past Polumbus. He quickly threw, off his back foot, to the only spot that would have resulted in a positive play. Big gain as Paul took it another 20 yards. Had he overthrown it, incompletion move on to next play.

      Both results were good – except the fluke injury. But what does the coaching staff want? This isn’t about who should be QB but how Griffin needs to improve.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:23 AM

        Pretty sure RG3 saw the pressure coming and tried to avoid it during that split second he was open. Cant watch both.

      • redskinscaio - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:59 PM

        RGIII didn’t play great last season. But it’s hard when the offensive line stinks. You point out a few plays fine. But if we sat down and re watched the games on my DVR i’d show you time and time again, where the o line were getting shoved 4-5 yards into Griffin’s face and plays where the guards and tackles wouldn’t even touch their guy, letting the d lineman come in Griffin’s face untouched…

    • captblood3000 - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:53 AM

      Here’s another, this one a passing play from the San Francisco game. The offensive line gives Griffin a clean pocket for a 5 step drop. But Griffin takes a 7+ step drop. So Morgan Moses’ man sacks Griffin. But we can blame this on Moses’ “heavy feet”, can’t we?

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM

        Interior of the line was getting pushed back on him gotta take extra steps or get squashed How do you know what play was called? Could have bin a 7 step drop.

      • captblood3000 - Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 PM

        No Timmy. Both tackles set up for a 5 step drop. There wasn’t any pressure on the interior. Griffin set up out of the pocket and didn’t react to use the pocket his line gave him. He made for an easy sack. You don’t remember the play, why pretend that you do?

        • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:37 PM

          This is true. Griffin wasn’t consistent and it lead to many sacks. The offensive lineman block their men to a certain point and expect the qb to have been at 5 yards or the ball to be gone and it’s not, many of Griffin’s sacks – Id say about 1/3 were on Griffin, not the OL.

  13. bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    Great post, Rich. I especially like the part on ‘middle ground.’ As it is obvious how polarizing that spectrum is. I tend to be on the Griffin side but definitely toward the middle. The Griffin apologists as you call them have certainly objected toward my moderate views. Also, the part about reasonable views was spot on. I get the sense though that Gruden would just as soon not work with Griffin.

    Referring to your poker chip post earlier this month on the quarterbacks and acknowledging the ups and downs of Griffin would you alter your bets? I get the feeling that if any team, Cleveland for instance, was interested in Griffin, the ‘skins would unload him.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:19 AM

      The GM said you dont give up on a player this early with that much talent. I dont see it happening just because of that statement

      • bangkokben - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM

        GMs are paid to build the team. Unlike, Jay Gruden, McCloughan isn’t going to devalue an asset. McCloughan will lie to our faces if it helps the team. Gruden should and probably did when he named Griffin the starter considering how hard it was for him to say those words.

        • bowlregard - Mar 20, 2015 at 5:48 AM

          Don’t forget that at the same time Jay named Robert the starter he talked about how he needed to improve. So if he doesn’t improve, he won’t keep the starting spot. Jay just said it like it is.

    • Rich Tandler - Mar 20, 2015 at 6:33 AM

      Thanks for the good words. I wouldn’t alter my bets right now, at least not substantially. Perhaps McCoy is better than a random “field” but he’s not the future at the position in any way so I don’t think things change much.

      > > >

  14. vtsquirm - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    He was playing in a new offense last year folks… lets not forget that. In my opinion that’s why there appeared to be regression. he does need to work on his anticipation… but I think he’ll make a big improvement this year.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:50 AM

      Everybody agrees that the Oline cant pass block to save their lives but dont think that has anything to do with the QB play either SMH

    • bowlregard - Mar 20, 2015 at 5:50 AM

      Injuries have also played a big role going back to the end of 2012. The several factors make it hard to sort out.

  15. Arthur Aiken - Mar 19, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    When Cousins took over and threw all those int’s I did hear so much bashing but RGIII get killed buy the media and his coach. I don’t like Gruden as a coach, we should gotten Seattle OC he would have tailored the offense towards RGIII strengths.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Mar 19, 2015 at 12:09 PM

      You didn’t hear so much Cousins bashing after the ints?

      Were you listening?

      • Arthur Aiken - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:17 PM

        I was listening.

        • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:13 PM

          There was definitely Cousins bashing. What was disappointing about Cousins was in every one of the games where be threw 3 to 5 ints, if he had just played better in the fourth quarter we would have won 2 or 3 more games and if that had happened and Cousins had won 4 out of the 7 games he played in the first half of the year, he would have probably started 14 games last year but he just couldn’t take what the defense gave him in the second halves of those games he started last year.

          It was really disappointing.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 19, 2015 at 10:57 PM

          Cousins got the yips. I don’t think he would have thrown so many interceptions if he had his nerves under control.

  16. shermanp79 - Mar 19, 2015 at 12:27 PM

    If people are seeing the same things in TC they have to get Cousins ready to go from week 1 next year. We saw it in Pre Season last year and many wanted to make excuses. We found out pretty quick they were real issues. He can’t even take a proper drop or look the right way. We can’t fault Gruden for that. He has another guy now to help him. I think Cavanagh is a quality QB Coach. It might of been helpful for him to go see Jon for some help. He knows the system and could of worked on specific things. I wonder if they aren’t happy with what RG3 worked on with his QB guy. Can Gruden talk with him? I would think so and he said they expected to give him a list. Things they wanted to see improved. That would be a bad sign. I have no faith he will improve and worry this takes control of the team in TC. There is no way Gruden can let that happen. I think Cousins is going to look good in Camp and win the job. That option is the most likely. I think RG3 has to far to go.

  17. oaklandred - Mar 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Griffin should have to be more than competent. Competent would not justify a huge new contract for beyond 2015. He would have to play at a level that shows he deserves such a contract because he is actually playing that way in 2015, or close to it. And he would have to do it from the pocket a lot of the time. He would have to show he has learned to protect himself physically. And he would have to demonstrate as yet unshown leadership, maturity, and apparent ability to listen and respond to coaches, as well as a new dedication to film study and the technical side of his craft.

  18. brucealmty - Mar 19, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    I’m going to wish n hope for RG just b/c of all the picks we gave up for him, but this is his Do or Bye year. Otherwise, we’re still the Redskins–20yrs and still no starting QB worth his salt.

  19. alextwrs - Mar 19, 2015 at 1:50 PM

    apparent ability to listen and respond to coaches, as well as a new dedication to film study and the technical side of his craft.

    well said oakland

  20. gurnblanstonreturns - Mar 19, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    Griffin has never run anything approximating a pro offense in peewees, high school, college or 2012. Griffin has shown zero progress in becoming capable of running a pro offense. The Tampa and SF games last season featured some of the worst quarterback play I have ever seen in an NFL game. Griffin has not proven capable of staying healthy for a full season. Whether it’s holding the ball too long, failing to see open receivers, refusing to throw on time, taking his eyes off the field while scrambling, taking unnecessary risks and hits or refusing to take responsibility and talking about his teammates to the press, Griffin fails the Magic Johnson Test – Griffin actually makes his teammates worse. This season will reveal the truth. Either Gruden will conduct a legitimate competition in the preseason, and Griffin will be benched or someone in the organization will insist on starting him in the regular season, and the tape won’t lie. The truth? Griffin cannot play.

  21. abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    I agree with Rich and if Griffin does the things that Rich talks about in his post and limits turnovers like he did in 2012, I think fans are going to be pleasantly surprised with Griffin & the offenses’ production.

    In 2013, had Griffin been allowed to play all his games by Mike Shanatan, Griffin would have had this stat line:

    60% (which he was 5.6% higher than in 2012 & 8.7% higher than in 2014), 3,936 YDs (or 246 YDs a game), 7.0 avg (which was 1.1 yd higher in 2012 & .9 higher in 2014), 20 Tds, 15 INTs & 602 YDs rushing at 38 yards a game.

    So, the big if is “IF” Griffin can stay healthy, he can get this kind of production in 2015 or better because let’s remember in 2013, Griffin didn’t have DJAx or Roberts to throw to as his #2 & 3 WRs, instead those were Hankerson, Morgan and Moss and no offense to the later three, but DJax & Roberts are better and more explosive wide receivers. Last year when Robert got hurt it hurt these three’s ability to get insync as qb & wrs and really get the passing game more consistent and effective.

    I see know reason why Robert can’t throw for 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and rush for 500 YDs with 5 tds in 2015 – if healthy and Gruden calls zone read or qb draws/sneaks inside the 10 yard line like Kyle did when Robert was a rookie and like Gruden called with Robert against his Eagles win last year which resulted in a TD.

    If Robert does that, then I believe he’ll be re-signed in March of 2015 and the doubters will be silenced.

    • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:38 PM

      I meant his 60% completion in 2013 was 5.6% lower than his 2012 # and 8.7% lower than his 2014#.

      If Griffin stays healthy, there’s no reason he can’t complete 62-63% of his passes.

      Those who bring up the Tampa &
      SF game need to relaize that’s a small sample size of two games when Griffin admitidly wasn’t 100% and he was also facing good defenses. I remember Robert playing much better in 3 other games in 2014 – Minnesota, NYG & Philadelphia and for most of the Dallas game until his int in the endzone towards the end of the game.

      Not many mention when he did play well last year, they continually harp on the two bad games he had against two solid defenses.

      • redskinsinrichmondva - Mar 19, 2015 at 6:00 PM

        Tampa Bay’s pass defense wasn’t a great pass defense.

        But I do agree with the premise that some people focus way too much on Griffin’s two worst games of 2014 (vs. Bucs and at Niners). Outside of those two games, Griffin’s adjusted net yards per attempt for the season was much closer to the 2014 NFL average of 6.1.

        • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:26 PM

          True, but they seemed to play well in that game and so did Tampa’s front 7. I remember Smith getting two sacks on Compton – it was really Compton’s only bad of the season – TWilliams got beat by Michael Johnson a few times and the middle of their DL & linebackers played well also.

          It wasn’t just Griffin who played bad that game, I remember the defensive secondary giving up two horrible long TDs to Evans. I’ll definitely admit thought it was Griffin’s worst game of the 2014 season.

        • redskinscaio - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM

          Tampa Bay has one of the best defensive tackles in the game, and the interior of the offensive line of the redskins is one of the worst….. How many times did the line collapse in his face in that game?

  22. abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    Please anyone debate me, I’m ready for it based on how he has improved and the fact that he’s not even touched the surface of what he can be as a quarterback.

  23. redskinsinrichmondva - Mar 19, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    “He was playing in a new offense last year folks… lets not forget that.”

    Some people *do* forget that. Either that, or they don’t care. Remember, there were fans who wanted someone else to QB the Redskins in 2013!

    Now, there’s nothing wrong with saying that Griffin should improve, or wanting Griffin to improve. He hasn’t played well in two seasons (both 2013 and 2014 were, at best, replacement-level seasons), and the rest of the team isn’t spectacular enough to make up for Griffin’s lack of production. However, a bounce-back Griffin season is not only possible, but likely possibile (given Griffin’s age, talent, another year of experience in Gruden’s system, and something called QB regression to the mean in the NFL); and Griffin should be re-signed even if he plays like an average QB. Why? Because average QBs are hard to find in the NFL.

    Also, this team as constructed isn’t competing for a Super Bowl, even if Griffin is a Pro-Bowl caliber QB. In addition to the QB, the defense simply has to improve, and the recent player signings aren’t making the defense average by themselves.

  24. mr.moneylover - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Here is what I dont understand with some mock draft they have redskins picking randy gregory when hes ranked the #5 best pass rusher…and shane ray and vic Beasley are ranked #2 and #3 …I dont see redskins passing on one of these pass rushers if the other 4 team before the redskins dont pick them…I think shane ray will be good for running QBs that like to run he didnt do so good in his pro day but game film dont lie like scot m. Say…vic Beasley is your normal pass rusher who fits what scot m. Looking for ..guess we gotta wait and see what direction they go in the draft….I trust scot m. regardless…

    • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 7:38 PM

      I agree. I think one of those 3 pass rushers will be chosen as well.
      My favorite is Vic Beasley because of his immense production over the past two years but I have this feeling Scot may take Gregory because he’ll see Aldon Smith type potential in Gregory with his height and long arms.

      • redskinscaio - Mar 19, 2015 at 8:10 PM

        I would draft the best offensive lineman in the draft.

        • abanig - Mar 19, 2015 at 9:24 PM

          There are two problems with that philosophy.

          1. The best offensive lineman in the draft is the 10th or 11th best prospect in the draft.

          2. The OT prospects who will be available in round 2 aren’t that far off the talent of Brandon Scherff

        • skins1970 - Mar 29, 2015 at 11:57 AM

          That’s fine but the Skins should need to trade down to do it, there is no Olineman I would take at #5

  25. UKSkin - Mar 20, 2015 at 7:03 AM

    May I be bold enough to make a prediction? By Week 3 at the latest, Kirk Cousins is the starter and he signs the contract extension. I was all for us trading up to draft Griffin but it was a risk that failed and we need to stop wasting any more time with Griffin and move on. He isn’t going to be getting his 5th year option so why waste another year on a veteran who cannot even do the basics?

  26. warpath1 - Mar 20, 2015 at 3:09 PM

    i think we will be drafting our future quarterback this year. He will sit on the bench while the other three play to see who will be his backup in 16

    • abanig - Mar 20, 2015 at 3:32 PM

      Well I hope it’s not Mariota or Petty that we draft to devlop because they’ve never played in a pro style offense.

      If we do draft a qb in the 2015 nfl draft I hope it’s Brett Hundley (who reminds me of Russell Wilson), Grayson or McMannion.

    • abanig - Mar 20, 2015 at 3:34 PM

      All in all though, the skins would be wiser to wait for next year’s draft and take one of those QBs. I’d much rather have Cardale Jones, Connor Cook or Christian Hackenberg than the projects that are Mariota and Petty.

    • abanig - Mar 21, 2015 at 2:31 PM

      No way the Redskins carry 4 qb’s. That’s a waste of a roster spot. If the skins draft a qb, and I still don’t think they will this year, either Robert or Kirk will be traded before the season, we’ll keep whomever wins the battle for the starting job before keeping 4 qbs

  27. theblackwriter - Mar 20, 2015 at 8:28 PM

    Yes, RGIII needs to improve his play. But learning to read progressions when defenses were beating him to his drop back spot wasn’t going to happen. All three Washington QBs got gang tackled too often last year so the O-line was a contributing problem. Archives

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