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Need to Know: Redskins’ D-line depth chart is in flux

Feb 28, 2015, 5:58 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, February 28, 10 days before the Washington Redskins and the rest of the NFL start free agency.

D-line transformation just beginning

In 2011 the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins in the second round and soon after the lockout ended they signed Stephen Bowen and Barry Cofield as free agents. Jenkins missed his rookie season with a torn ACL but since 2012 those three players have been mainstays on the defensive line.

Now Bowen and Cofield are gone, released in a move that saved the team some $9.6 million in salary cap space. Jenkins is a pending unrestricted free agent and his future with the team after free agency gets underway on March 10 is far from certain. The same goes for fellow free agent and 2011 draft pick (7th round) Chris Neild. He is a decent backup nose tackle when he’s on the field but he has missed two of the last three seasons with ACL injuries.

With at least two and possibly three linemen from last year gone, the process of building the line back up started on Thursday when the Redskins signed former Scot McCloughan draft pick Ricky Jean Francois. But obviously they will need more than him to replace Bowen, Cofield, and, if he leaves, Jenkins.

The four holdover defensive linemen the Redskins have under contract are Jason Hatcher, Chris Baker, Kedric Golston, and Frank Kearse. Hatcher is likely to be around this year and Golston might be but neither will around for the long haul. They are temporary placeholders at best.

McCloughan has stated that he will build the Redskins through the draft. Prospects like USC end Leonard Williams and Washington nose tackle Danny Shelton are potential picks for the Redskins with their top draft pick. But immediate help after the first round may be hard to come by. There may be another free agent or two on the way.

It’s impossible to craft a depth chart now because there are too many moving parts. You could start the season tomorrow with Hatcher and Jean Francois at end, Baker at end with Golston and Kearse as backup. Robert Thomas, who was on the practice squad last year, could be the backup nose tackle.

Fortunately the season doesn’t start tomorrow. You could get by with a line like that but the goal should be to improve. And the Redskins would be back into a hole again in 2016 with Golston and Hatcher likely gone. Look for more big guys to be added in free agency and the draft to strengthen it for 2015 and beyond.


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Days until: NFL free agency starts 10; Redskins offseason workouts start 51; 2015 NFL Draft 61

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  1. 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    The return of Rak is the last piece of the draft puzzle, if Rak resigns #5 is Sheldon.

    • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:43 AM

      Why? Rak has not produced much for us when he was healthy. So why would Sheldon be the pick if Rak signs? They should walk away from Rak unless it’s a heavy incentive based contract. He has an reoccurring injury that takes him out for an entire season. Sheldon has struggled at times when playing better college teams, so I doubt he’s worth a 5. If Williams or Fowler aren’t there at 5, they need to try to trade down.

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:49 AM

        Rak has produced, I don’t know where people get off thinking 11, 9 & 10 sack seasons are easy to come by

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM

          Good luck getting that from a player that’s hurt. He getting older and his numbers will drop. Highly doubt we will get the production from him that we want or need. People sometimes hang onto players longer than they should hoping to get some return on their investment, Rak is probably one we should let go. and when your hurt, you don’t get numbers. That’s what I meant by production lacking.

        • rlkmwyatt - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:59 PM

          when was the last time he finished a season? when was the last time he had 9 or more sacks? when was the last time he earned his paycheck?
          I agree Rak is a good person (you never hear anything bad about him) but good people who do not play do not help!

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:31 PM


        • skinsgame - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:59 PM

          Never in the clutch. Not since his rookie year. He consistently disappears in big games or at opportune times. Let him walk or bring him back on the cheap to mid range.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:57 AM

          Bringing him back on a mid level deal is exactly what I and others are proposing

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:39 AM

          Im for bringing him back on an incentive based contract. Games played and production. I think he needs to develop a spin or inside move because him bull rushing most of the time is how I believe he keeps tearing his pec.

        • Rich Tandler - Mar 1, 2015 at 10:06 AM

          Is a 29-year-old who has been in the league for six year and doesn’t think he has anything to prove going to develop a new move?

          > > >

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 12:09 PM

          I think he’s hurting his pec when he’s trying to get off blocks

      • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:15 AM

        Never said to hand Rak a blank cheque, one year prove it deal. If he signs it’s best for both, if he stays healthy a produces then he can hit FA next year and cash in if not then no harm no foul. Washington could always look to the draft next year for PR is Murphy proves he cannot handle the job.

        • rlkmwyatt - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:00 PM

          one year prove it deal was last season when he was franchised.

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:28 AM

        How’s Keenan Robinson doing after tearing both pecs?

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM

          If orakpo is heathy he will be solid. Ontop if that why not draft Sheldon, he would be our nose tacke of the future!

        • captblood3000 - Feb 28, 2015 at 6:24 PM

          You don’t draft Shelton because he won’t be BPA at #5. Find anyone’s Big Board (other than hof214’s, who to state it charitably, is a contrarian on this) that says otherwise. One strength at the top of this draft is edge rusher. Thus, edge rusher is the likely pick at #5.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:36 PM

          The edge rushers all have questionmarks. Fowler didn’t have a lot of production, Beasley (can he keep the weight on?), Ray (one year wonder), Gregory (minor knee issues & weight concerns).

          Anyone ever heard of questionmarks surrounding Shelton? Ever? All year?

        • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:37 AM

          I disagree on most of your criticisms. I checked the first 10 Big Boards that came up from a google search. Only one rated Shelton a top five pick. On average, they ranked Shelton #10. Shelton tends to disappear when matched against a good center. So watch his game against Oregon.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:57 AM

          you should be on the Danny Shelton bandwagon for multiple reasons:

          1. The redskins need a nose tackle for their defense, all of the best 3-4 defenses in NFL history have been anchored by a dominant NT and it is a position the Redskins haven’t been able to fill since they switched to the 3-4 in 2010

          2. Shelton is a freak. He’s 6’2, 340 pounds, but with the quickness of men 40 pounds less.

          3. One thing needed for a great NT is strength. Shelton throws around 300 pound centers and guards like rag dolls. He’s extremely powerful

          4. You say, well that’s nice, but can he rush the passer or is he just some big, fat strong guy who can’t be on the field for 3 downs?

          He had 9.5 sacks last year, he’s not fast, but he’s quick in tight spaces and has good hand placement and moves to get past and through offensive linemen and put pressure on the QB. the fastest way from point A to point B is a straight line, QB’s can’t handle pressure up the middle and in their face, Shelton gives pressure up the middle and pushes the pocket back into the qbs lap so they can’t step up. Instead, they’ll step back or to the sides and into Kerrigan’s arms.

          Oregon tried to wear Shelton down each of the past two seasons by running away from him, and making him move up and down the line of scrimmage, chase ball carriers it didn’t work, he was still making plays in the fourth quarter on them.

          His 3 cone drill is just .2 slower than Haloti Ngata’s and his 20 yd shuttle is .2 faster than Ngata’s.

          It’s easy to make comparisons between Ngata & Shelton.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM

          Keenen Robinson plays ILB totally different position.

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM

          We all know that he plays a different position but he had two torn pecs? So what stopped him from being productive? Nothing! The point is that if he can do it so can orakpo, postion has nothing to do with a man getting injuried… But of course everything is about position to you and not about the individual.. So case in point if he can have a good season so can orakpoZ that’s the case he could’ve been trying to make. Nothing about position

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM

          That’s exactly the point I was trying to make.

          Heck, you can even use Rak as his own example. In 2012, he tore the same pec twice. Once in January and once in September.

          In 2013, he returned to have the best year of his career.

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:12 PM

          I know what you mean man. I’m just saying that sometimes postions don’t matter when it comes to get sacks, injuries, or big plays. Knowing the position is one thing and being productive is another. Yes knowing the position can help but it’s not gonna stop orakpo from getting anything I mentioned. Heck so if a rookie gets injuried I guess that means he don’t know the position lol. No that means he just had bad luck or anything. Positions only helps you get better or learn your craft, it won’t stop anything I mentioned

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:29 PM

          An ILB or MLB wont rush the passer as much as an OLB. OLB will rush the passer 5 times as much in a game Wich will put more stress on the pec Tjats the difference so it does matter the position.their is little threat of tearing a pec in coverage and tackling at least not as much as rushing the passer.

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:40 PM

          Man you must be a doctor cause the last I checked anyone can tear a pec. No matter what postion. Your still trying to make it about that and only that. It does not matter. A saftey can go in for a blitz and tear his pec too. That’s what he is trying to tell you or at least me… Anyone can tear it no matter what. Ryan plays the outside lb spot be he hasn’t tore his. Neither did any of our other lbs. it’s just bad luck it can happen to anyone no matter what postion

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 7:11 PM

          Yet… Keenan Robinson tore each of his pecs. Yet, D’well Jackson tore his pecs twice.

          Sorry, your logic doesn’t add up.

          As for Rak’s production, have you checked the pro bowers and first round picks he faced before his injury?

          It’s murders row of some of the best LTs in the NFL.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:39 PM

          I never said a player knowing a position ment anything I said you really cant compare 2 different positions stat wise or performance wise because they are different positions with different responsibilities….. A OLB has different responsibilities than a MLB and a DE in a 3-4 has different responsibilities than a DE in a 4-3. You cant compare like that it’s totally different. Now if you compare players from the same scheme playing the same position then you can make a valid point but otherwise your comparing apple an oranges

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:42 PM

          You are hopeless I’m done

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 10:32 PM

          Im not saying the prodution will be less Im saying he has more of a chance tearing it again because of his position with the amount of rushes he has to make he will be pushing on a lineman more than a ILB the chance of it happening again. He already has 3 tears he is more prone to tear the pec again If he had other moves besides hitting the corner or bull rush I wouldn’t see it as much of a problem that is what I mean by Position not about if he stayed healthy his abillity to be productive. I think if he did stay healthy you could easily pencil him in for 10+ sacks I just dont think he will stay healthy.

    • nomaan78 - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:36 PM

      Exactly!! Shelton will be the pick to revamp the D-line

      Orakpo will be better this upcoming year as Kerrigan is much improved. Will be cheaper too because of his injuries. We do have a new strength and conditioning coach to keep him from ripping his pecs

      • rlkmwyatt - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:03 PM

        how many strength and conditioning coaches have the Redskins had while Rak has been on the team? and he always gets hurt……
        I do not believe a new coach will change his injuries. I hate to say it but I think he is just injury prone.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:24 PM

          Define, always getting hurt? A couple of pectoral years in 6 years? That’s all Ya got?

          Keenan Robinson tore a pec when he was a rookie, tore the other one on his second year.

          Deqwell Jackson had back to back pec tears as well.

          They seem to be doing just fine

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:49 PM

          Again Jackson plays a different position and is in a different scheme MLBs & ILBs dont rush the passer much

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:19 PM

          That seriously has nothing to do with it. Orakpo tore his pec each time trying to get off a block, that’s exactly how Keenan tore his pec.

          It doesn’t matter what position they play.

          I don’t even get it, it’s a torn muscle, they heal, it’s not like Rak tore a ligament in his shoulder or something.

          I attribute the tearing, straining or pulling of muscles to not stretching properly, which is where a better training staff and strength & conditioning staff comes into place.

          Phillip Daniels has said the Redskins training, stength and conditioning program and staff has been a joke for a decade.

    • captblood3000 - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:36 PM

      Who is Sheldon? If you submit a draft selection with a misspelled name, do you lose the pick?

    • deepball1 - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:50 AM

      I agree 100 percent that Shelton is the pick IF the Redskins secure an OUTSIDE LINEBACKER speed rusher. That is going to be the thing to watch for. Doesn’t have to be Orakpo could also be Worilds from Pitts or Brandon Graham from Philly, etc but IF they free agent an Outside Linebacker then they are not drafting one and that makes Shelton more likely since he is LARGE and Scott M says LARGE MAN WINS.

      • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 PM

        Worilds isn’t nearly as good a pass rusher as Rak. He’s an average pass rusher

  2. mr.moneylover - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:37 AM

    I think frank kearse can beat out Chris baker to play DE I think thats one of the roster spots thats up grabs who wants it more…and a source said that redskins are interested in a 49ers O-line player mike lupati…hopefully I spelled his name right

    • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM

      Lupati would be a good sign

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:48 AM

        Too expensive for a guard imo

        • sidepull - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:05 AM


        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM

          I’m probably in the minority, but I want to see LeRibeus or Long start at RG this year. The only position I consider signing or drafting someone in round 2 for is RT and even then, I’m torn, because I like the promise Compton showed last year and we drafted Moses to be our long term answer last year

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:32 AM

          Maybe LeRib is a late-bloomer.

          But odds are he’s a bust (yet another) and his ceiling is backup on a line that isn’t very good.

        • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:37 AM

          I also would like to see Washington’s youth make the move. LeRibeus played well last year when he got the start,(small sample size I know) but may he can build on that with help from the new O-line coach. I hope he can mold all three guy, if so Washington has a very solid base with Williams, LeRibeus, Long, and Moses… A lot of “ifs” though lol a fan can only hope.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM

          So how expensive is it to replace an injured QB that is supposed to be the future of the franchise?

        • captblood3000 - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:34 PM

          This will be LeRibeus’ 4th year. He’s what, a year from free agency? If he doesn’t crack the starting lineup this year, he’s a bust. Long and Moses different cases; they were not expected (for different reasons) to start in 2014 but were pretty much expected to start this year. This is par for the course for third round offensive line picks.

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:22 AM

        There’s no reason to replace Griffin right now, he’s still under contract. I guarentee you if he doesn’t have a good year they they’ll let him walk, re-sign Cousins and draft one of the good prospects in the 2015 NFL draft. The 2015 draft is going to have Cardale Jones, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg.

        It’s the return of the Big10 dominance!

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          I doubt they resign cousins.. I think they find a veteran guy and then draft his replacement. But I don’t think that the gm will let griffin go. He had very high Meka on griffin and if he can stick it with Alex smith for years. He can let griffin have at least this upcoming season and the next. Griffin is just to talented to let walk and go to a place like the eagles and kill us every year. Kelly will go for him if they can’t move up.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:35 AM

          John Keim reported a week ago on ESPN 980’s “The Drive” that the coaching staff likes Kirk Cousins a lot.

          Kirk Cousins would be your veteran. Think about it, after this year he will have been in the league for 4 years.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:17 AM

          Cousins was nocked down to third string last year due to performance. I highly Doubt the Coaching staff are high on him and I could see him getting traded for a late round pic

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:03 PM

          I think they were saving Cousins from himself. They knew the team sucked and Cousins was trying to do too much. They let him sit, watch and learn from Colt.

          Hopefully, he can come back this year and give Griffin a run for his $.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:58 PM

          no one said replace RGIII. I said how expensive is it to replace him if he gets injured again because we feel line men are too expensive to bring in.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:43 PM

          Yes, and I answered the question. They’ll draft one of the top 3 Qbs if Griffin needs to be replaced

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:49 PM

          We’d need an OL to block for 7-10 seconds to protect Griffin with the way he played vs SF & Tampa last year.

          Our OL was not horrible, it was average.

          I remember the Hogs going through growing pains for a few years with young players, but once they gelled they were one of the top lines in the nfl.

          Have some patience brother. Let our young linemen play and debelop like the Hogs got to in the early 80s.

          No need to give a guard a $50-60 million contract!! They never live up to them

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:47 AM

      Chris baker would be playing NT again if they don’t draft Shelton or sign someone else

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM

      I’d like to keep Baker in the middle @ NT.

      Kearse can back up Hather at RDE

  3. abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:46 AM

    Dreams can come true

  4. sidepull - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:09 AM

    I am OK with Cofield and Bowen going but I am not on board with needing to sign Ricky Jean. I guess scot saw something he could bring to the Redskins. Hope he’s right.

    We do need to resign Rak, draft either Williams or Shelton.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:14 AM

      Ricky Jean Francois was the 26th best DE in the NFL last year. That’s a huge upgrade over everyone on our roster but Hatcher

      • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:56 AM

        Hatcher isn’t much better. I wish they never signed him.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:17 AM

          I disagree, even though he battled injuries last year, and missed 2 games, he still had 5.5 sacks. Before him and Frank Kearse (who had 3 sacks) it had been 3 years since we seen a redskins DL get over 2 sacks (Jenkins in 2013)

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:22 AM

          Hacther came in and mad an immediate impact! If it wasn’t for him(when he played) our line would’ve been worse. Bowen didn’t get a sack and I believe cofield only got 1. Kerse will be a back up but I did like what I seen from him. But besides that when hacther was in the game, that’s when Kerrigan really got to the qb. He collapsed the side he was on so lbs could get there. Kerrigan was great this year don’t get me wrong but hacther helped him. Point black hacther was the best dl we had or have right now

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:37 AM

          Wow! It’s nice talking to someone who knows what they’re talking about

      • jonevans511 - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM

        Thank you Abanig. He’s a good player at a good price, and I can almost guarantee this kid (or man) will come in as though he’s got something to prove. Seeing as though SM drafted the guy and is now bringing him in as his first real signing since becoming GM of the Skins, I’d say he does have plenty prove. Why not start bringing in guys who who have to play to stay, instead of the classic “pay them handsomely for productivity in the past at another team and hope they don’t lose their work ethic” strategy of bringing in free agents. I know not all of our signings have been in this mold, but too many have….

  5. Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    Orakpo should come back but on a short deal. I still believe orakpo can do somthing. If and it’s a big if that he can get over the injuries. That will leave us with one less spot to fill and we can draft a pass rusher in the second or 3rd round to replace him. Also after we pick up the de or nt we need, the rest of the picks we have can be for depth. Like Oline, dline, te, 2cb, and possibly wr or dline. We should focus on those. With orakpo back it makes the draft easy… Httr

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      A one year deal works for both sides, just like Maclin’s one year $5 million deal with $3.5 guarenteed worked for him and the Eagles last year.

      Rak should bet on himself that he can rebiund and have another 10 sack season like he had in 2013. If he does, someone will give him a long term deal.

      • Rich Tandler - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:23 AM

        Sounds great but he was on a “prove it” deal last year and after saying he had nothing to prove he flopped even before the injury. Why expect better results this time?

        And even if it works, a long-term deal for an injury prone player who will be 30 before the deal kicks in?

        Not smart all around.

        > > >

        • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:56 AM

          Why not use Rak as a “stop gap” player provided he will sign to a cheaper one year deal. At worst Murphy gets more time to develop and coaches get a better look at him to see if he can be the starter. I myself think it makes sense, but only if the price is right.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:56 PM

          We’d get one more year out of him if he stays healthy and plays at a high level trying to get a long term deal.

          I’m not sure how that’s not smart…

          He also wouldn’t be getting overpaid on the franchise tag this year. He’d be striving to get paid like that again.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:12 AM

      We need a FS in the mid rounds more than a mid round corner to develop behind the Veteran FS we hopefully sign

      • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:17 AM

        I’ll agree with you.. We do need a corner, at least one. I don’t think porter will stay after this season. We need to find his replacement or at least a fourth corner. Unless they want the ones they have now as the fourth… One to develop along with Fs is good.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:40 AM

          I think the Skins should sign Davon House from GB and draft a late round CB

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:41 AM

          Redskins need to cut Porter. Cutting him saves $2.3 million

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM

          I never liked the porter signing I knew he’d be a bust. He had one good play in his carrer

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:49 AM

          Signing made sense at the time, but it just didn’t work out because of his injuries.

          Skins need to sign a corner like House who is a back up & special teams player and would be an upgrade over the #3 & 4 corners the Skins have had since 08 when they acquired Hall as their #3 behind Springs and Los

  6. 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Idk know if you realize this or not… But just because Raks’ “numbers” do not have high sack totals as of late, doesn’t mean he is not any effictive pass rusher. I think people are overlooking Rak simply because the “numbers” aren’t there. Don’t get me wrong, Washington shouldn’t break the the bank to resign him. But Rak does compete against more elite talent going against LT(not taking anything away from Kerrigan but it’s the truth) this could be a reason why his #s are lower along with, commanding double teams, and the one I think isn’t recognized by fans as much as it should be… He DRAWS holding calls more often then not when he beats his man.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:49 AM

      Shsh, you can’t use facts with hater fans. They fail to comprehend them

      • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:10 AM

        Agreed like that mr money lover? Facts in his face and still thinks Murphy is better

      • skins4lyfe - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:27 AM

        Abanig u r on the money I say we sign rak back also. A on a prove it deal with a true nose tackle and a healthy Hatcher on his side and I see a 10 <14 sack season. He has never had a true nose tackle which allows for the double team to be pushed his way. He is also the most held d linemen I have ever seen. Most of the blame for the holding calls not being called is the refs but also he has to work and develop a counter to his speed rush. This will also give Trent Murphy the opportunity to also put on weight and prove himself. I also agree porter should be cut along with Golston and Chester. With the draft getting a true nose tackle and f.a picking up another big body the line will look dominant. We could start Kerrigan baker sheldon(if drafted) Hatcher and orakpo riley(who is safe only because of contract) and Robinson.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:09 PM

          Man, you guys love to keep old players. This isn’t a popularity contest. I like Orakpo as a player, but I just don’t see the value in him anymore to where we fill a roster spot on him. We would go back to having the oldest fielded team if you had a say in it. Hatcher is not and will not live up to the money we paid him. Orakpo is also unlikely to be back and play the way he did a few years ago. It time to move on from Orakpo and give Hatcher his walking papers next year when he turns in a second year of ok numbers.

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:15 PM

          Smh the oldest players on our team will be gone or are you still thinking Chester, cofield, Bowen, Brandon, and Clark is still on the team. Hacther, hall, and Goldstein if we keep him will be the oldest. So I don’t see how bringing back orakpo will make us the oldest when we got rid of 5 guys that are older?! Second if hacther is heathy he will pan out for this upcoming season. Your to quick to give on players after one season.

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:46 PM

          Goldstein? We signed a Jewish guy? I kid, I kid. lol

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM

          Ontop of that you have no facts to back up your claims

        • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:26 PM

          I agree with you on both points, except Hatcher’s deal was pretty much a two year deal to being with. It was structured so Washington could bail after 2 years if he underwhelmed. As for Rak, if (big if) he chooses to come back to Washington on a cheap one year deal, it’s not like it hurts Washington to bench him for poor play as their not tied to the hip by franchise tag numbers. It pretty silly to have a guy ride the pine making 12 mill, but not so much if he’s making say 1.5 – 3

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:41 PM

          No facts? Age isn’t a fact? average play not a fact? reoccurring injury not a fact? and Hatcher has been in the league for years, so it’s not giving up on him in one year like your trying to spin it. He’s a older veteran and what you see is what you get, he’s not going to get better with age. He had one good season with Dallas and we over paid for him after that season. Look at his career stats. They aren’t very good. Now that’s a fact

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:50 PM

          Sounds like your in your feeling. And for a dline em he had average seasons you moron. A dline is suppose to be gettin 10-15 sacks a season most average3-5 maybe 6.. Also they didn’t over pay him, if you read the information like most skins can did you would know that his money guranted would be up after the 2nd year so we wouldn’t have to keep him long term. That’s a fact or are you gonna deny that? And lastly you still can’t prove we would be the oldest line. Sit down and read before you talk nonsense.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM

          First off, I never called you a name, so please grow up and act like an adult if possible. Second, if you’re going to call someone a moron proof read your post………Sounds like your in your feeling. And for a dline em he had average seasons you moron??????????? Who’s the moron?

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:28 PM

          First off moron I said nothing about the line being oldest I said team or is your brain that small you can’t even read? Second I never said he didn’t have average season I’m proving a point.. You have no merit to your arguement. Your just a guy that’s in his feelings because someone doesn’t agree with you. Your a joke. Get some actually facts because you just proved mine. Defensive linemen don’t average high sack totals and that hacther is the guy we wanted and got him for what we need to get pressure and 3-5 sacks and he exceeded it. I had to read your post twice it was so misspelled. Maybe you need to go back to grade school. And to comment on your other post you did say to get rid of griffin but then you back tracked.. Your a joke I’m done with you

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:03 PM

          Guys, the “moron”, “stupid”, etc. has got to stop. I start by deleting individual posts and then when I don’t have time to do that any more I ban.

          Speaking of which, anyone seen Joe Green around lately?

          > >

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:40 PM

          Agreed rich the no seen has stopped with me.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:14 PM

          And I never said it would be the oldest line by keeping them. Your pea brain is missing the point I was trying to make.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:37 PM

          Stephfan we run a 3-4 Defense most DEs in a 3-4 Defense not named WATT do not get 19 to 15 sacks a year. The DE in a 3-4 Defense is used more for run stuffing and occupying space your LBs are your pass rushers. If the DE is getting 6 sacks he is doing great. Learn the difference between Defensive Schemes before calling people names it just makes you sound like the name you are calling them.

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:40 PM

          Let me set you straight to. I know that linemen don’t average that much.. It was clearly a typo moron. So read the comments below saying that most linemen average 3-5! Man your just plan slow.

        • bullets2586 - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:39 PM

          Wow!!!! You might just be the dumbest man alive. I cut and pasted your post. That was the only spelling error in my post you mental midget. Please keep showing us how stupid you are, it’s amusing.

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:44 PM

          Like I said I’m done you! Your clearly a person that doesn’t know football do you have a nice day. But don’t get mad cause your so called facts don’t add up and no one agrees with you? Don’t get mad, keep talking but if there was an award for dumbest skins fan it would be you

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:05 PM

          Yeah, you too. Knock it off or go find another sandbox to go play in.

          Just make your point and move on.

          > > >

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:11 PM

          Stephfan take a reading class too. You wrote the DE is supposed to be getting 10-15 sacks thats a extremely high number for a DE in a 3-4 but is what is expected out of a 4-3 linemen. These arent the same position. Like I said try learning how the game is played before calling names. It makes your comments irrelevant.

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:22 PM

          You are beyond stupid. I said it was a typo? Are you dumb, slow, stupid, or a retard? I clearly told you that I know a defensive linemen doesn’t get that kind of numbers. I clearly told you 3-5 so you can continue to be a moron but I’m done with you as well

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:59 PM

          A typo is messing up a word or 2 writing a whole sentence and saying it was a typo is just you not wanting to admit you were wrong. You sound lol ike Joseph Greene using a different name

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM

          Regardless a person that resorts to name calling usually do because their comments are called out for thr flaws they have and have no good rebuttal. Im guessing you also think that any linebacker can play any linebacker position in any scheme. Im also willing to bet you dont know the responsibilities for each position and how they are played in different schemes or packages. LEARN THE GAME YOU ARE COMMENTING ON before acting like you are the smartest in the room because iwhen you dont know the game you sound like the dumbest

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 4:11 PM

          How bout you learn the game I know it very well thanks. I can know it all I want as can the players but that’s not going to stop the players from getting certain numbers or not. Haven’t you ever heard the game isn’t always about X’s and O’s. So on that note you have nothing else to say to me. You go learn the game because what your saying is irralvant. So you can continue just like the last nimrod but you see he ain’t talking either…

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:47 PM

          Lol you really have no coherent response do you? What I was writing about has everything to do with Xs & Os. A players position in a scheme has everything to do with their stats. You try to make a point using position stats from a different scheme that shows how little you know about the game you occasionally watch parts of and only understand what a touchdown and field goal are.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:51 PM

          Lol you really have no coherent response do you? What I was writing about has everything to do with Xs & Os. A players position in a scheme has everything to do with their stats. You try to make a point using position stats from a different scheme that shows how little you know about the game you occasionally watch parts of and only understand what a touchdown and field goal are. So your comments about players is irrelevant because you dont know what their actual job in a spacific scheme is. You have no clue

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:58 PM

          For the last time I know about schemes, I don’t need to talk about schemes when I’m talking only on stats! So on that go get a life. Don’t question someone’s knowledge about anything when you don’t know me or what I know. If I wanna talk about stats I’ll talk about stats! If I say schemes than that’s what I’m talking about. You clearly figured out what I was talking about and theta stats. So are you done cause your harresing me with these stupid comments

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM

          Your talking about stats of a position in a scheme we don’t run so they are incorrect. You cant compare a DE’s Stats from our Scheme with DEs that play in a 4-3 differnt assignments. Thats how I know you have no clue

    • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:23 AM

      So you’re not concerned about Orakpo’s drop in sacks or his injury history? You should be.

      • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:47 AM

        Drops in sacks? He had 10 in 2013. His second highest in his career.

        His injuries? Again, he’s torn his pec twice, that’s his only serious injuries in 6 years, I’m frankly tired of fans/media using this excuse as to why Rak shouldn’t be retained because tearing a muscle and missing 26 games out of 96 games, in 6 years does NOT make you injury prone.

        Again, there are multiple cases of players having injuries like this and then returning to never get injured like this again. The perfect example is D’Qwell Jackson who helped the Colts get to the AFC Champ game last season.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:16 PM

          0.5 sacks in 2014.
          At that pace, without the pec injury, he’d have gotten to 1.0 sacks. You ignore an obvious question.

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:34 PM

          How can you assume he would’ve had one sack? Can you read the future?

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 7:19 PM

          Have you checked the pro bowl LTs and first round picks Rak faced before his injury?

          It’s like murders row.

          Duane Brown, Jockel, Jason Peters, Russell Okung, Jared Veldheer,
          Taylor Lewan.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:18 PM

          And the injuries affected 2 of his last 3 seasons. You have cherry picked your “games missed” statistic.

        • Stephfan - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:33 PM

          Know is it missed when you asked him when he had at least 10 sacks? He answered your question…

        • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:51 PM

          Nonsense. I asked whether he was concerned about Orakpo’s recent injury history or his drop off in production last year. It’s a rhetorical question: the answer is obviously yes. Resigning Orakpo at even a quarter of what he made last year is risky.

          Since practically every left tackle in the league is a first round pick, you can explain Orakpo’s lack of production. But then you can’t explain the success of any other right side edge rusher.

          And yes, if Orakpo hadn’t gotten hurt, and continued at his pre-injury pace, he would have finished with 1.0 sacks. This is not knowing the future. It’s just mathematics.

          I like Orakpo, and wish him success whether he leaves the Redskins or signs elsewhere. But this is a business where you have to consider risks dispassionately.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 11:20 PM

          I guess I just have a problem believing the Redskins will get another pass rusher who puts up double digit sacks or near it every year.

          Many always act like the grass is greener in Redskins nation and I’m sorry, that just hasnt proven to be true in the last 20 years of the franchise.

      • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        I find it odd that people want to dissect Rak so much and when he gets his sacks but they say nothing about Kerrigan and when he does or doesn’t produce and who Kerrigan dominates.

        I love Kerrigan, but if he’s rushing as a ROLB, it’s a different story. I don’t think he’s a double digit sack guy at ROLB going agains first round picks and pro bowl LT’s.

        He sure can abuse 2 RT’s who got cut in Jacksonville & against Andrew Gardner and drsft busts like Joseph Barsdale.

        Again, I love Kerrigan, but facts are facts here. He dominates and pads his stats against bums.

  7. mr.moneylover - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    I dont think they gonna resign jarvis jenkins or Orackpo…anytime when a rookie (trent Murphy) has more sacks then you in fewer snaps then its time to move on…orackpo was good 3 years ago but now his career is on the down side its time to move on with the young guys at let them play and get better…

    • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:08 AM

      Congrats Murphy had more sacks but that doesn’t mean he was better than orakpo period.

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:12 PM

        I think the best thing for Murphy to do is to put on weight and move to DE. He has the frame to put on 20-25 pounds and be a DE

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:55 PM

          Its a little hard for a guy to just put on 20-25 lbs

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:40 PM

          Is it? It’s done often

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM

          Who does it all the time? The only one I remember doing it once in the NFL is a guy on our team that went to the cardinals and he never really held a starting position.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:09 PM

          Ryan Shazier gained 15 pounds from his senior year at Ohio State to when he was starting at ILB for the Steelers.

          I think Murphy is going to fill out. He’s tall, skinny and lanky. He honestly looks more like a basketball player than football player.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM

          You said 20-25 pounds not 10-15 there’s a big difference. What I dont understand is you think a guy who weighs in the 250s can gain enough weight to play DE in a 3-4 but you don’t think Clayborn from the Bucs who is 280 can make the transition. Doesnt make sense.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:58 PM

          I didn’t mean Murphy would play DE this year, I think long term he fits better as a defensive lineman than an outside linebacker. He also weighs more than 250 pounds.

          He’s 6’5, 258 pounds.

          Unlike Clayborn, Murphy has length. He’s tall and has long arms.

          Maybe it won’t happen, but I don’t think Murphy has the quickness to ever be a great OLB. I like him, I think he’s a great football player, I think he’s strong, has a great motor but I think he’s miscast as a linebacker.

          Unlike Clayborn, Murphy has not filled out. When I look at him and that frame, it just looks like he could add a lot of good weight, muscle and stength to it.

          Oh, another who has added 15 pounds since being drafted and he did it within a few years is Jason Hatcher. At the NFL combine, he weighed 284 pounds

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:42 PM

          Again you said 20-25 lbs nobody that I know of have gained more than 15. Murphy was 250 when drafted I wrote he was in the 250s not exactly 250. But for him to play DE he would have to gain about 30lbs on top of the 8 he already gained not gonna happen. Clayborn is already a little faster off the ball and stronger than Murphy and can easily put on 10lbs. I like Murphy at OLB just think he needs to adapt to the game speed and get a little stronger. Allot of times Murphy was right there just didnt get it a little more strength and time he will be getting double digit sacks.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 11:23 PM

          There’s several 3-4 DEs who weigh under 290. Justin Smith is 285. I don’t see 5 pounds here or there as being a huge deal.

          Murphy’s father filled out when he was 25. Getting up to 290, so don’t be surprised that in a year or so Murphy puts in some wight.

  8. mr.moneylover - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Scot M. Plans on going after 49ers O-lineman lupati in free agent and if 49ers cant renegotiate patrick willis and Navarro Bowen contract expect them to be release and scot M. plan on going after them as well

    • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:06 AM

      He may go after one of them but not both. He isn’t going to brake the bank with them. Their almost 30 so that’s why they go after one. And 49s will keep Willis, they’d be a fool to let him walk

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:31 AM

      We are pretty decent at ILB why pay through the nose for them when their is so many hoes to fill? It doesn’t make sense. Just because they played for a team the GM drafted for doesnt mean he will bring them in. There has to be a need and a reasonable price.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:10 PM

      So, basically, nothing has changed. If we get a new GM and he just starts goin after the guys he drafted at his previous jobs who are coming up on second and third contracts, then what’s changed?

      I’m not going to be happy if Iupati is signed. I think spending $7 mill + on a guard is a waste of $$.

      • nomaan78 - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:44 PM

        I will be ecstatic if they sign Iupati, Spend money, and draft picks on the O-line. Keep RG3 on his feet.

  9. timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Everybody keeps talking about resigning Rak. I would much rather sign Brooks Reed.

    • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 12:22 PM

      Rak would be the cheaper more sensible option… If Rak doesn’t bite on a cheap one year deal I don’t see Washington using FA to address OLB… Too many options 2nd round and later in the draft.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:13 PM

      The same Brooks Reed who has 14.5 sacks in his career? Wtf! I’ve read it all now! Lol

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:40 PM

        He had 6 sacks his first year than switched OLB spots and had less thats also with a new defensive coordinator and a lesser talented OLB on the other side. I think we could get a young talent at a cheap price

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM

          What do you mean, switched OLB spots?

          He’s always played OLB. Fact is that he can’t sniff Rak’s jock strap in terms of pass rushing ability and athleticism.

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:08 PM

          Lol agreed but this guy supposed knows the game

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:17 AM

          Switche from Weak side to Strong side do I need to expain the difference or maybe you should take some time and loook it up.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 12:57 PM

          You didn’t say that originally.

          Is 6 sacks good for an OLB? Seems about average to me.

          Rak’s never had that little when he’s played 15+ games. Kerrigan has never had that little.

          Heck, Rob Jackson had 4.5 sacks in 14 games started and he has no burst off the line!! Brooks Reed is an average at best pass rusher.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:33 PM

          I think 6 sacks his rookie season wasnt bad and his production slipped because he switched sides, got more attention, and different defensive coordinator. I think he would be a good cheap signing

  10. timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    I think since Free Agency is pretty deep with Defensive players especially Dline our Defensive holes will be filled in Free Agency for the most part and the Draft will be filling NT, Oline, and Depth. We should be looking at signing a starting FS. OLB Brooks Reed, TE, Dline, and I would seriously consider signing Chris Johnson to be our 3rd down back. He has had about 4 yards a carry average every year and can catch out of the backfield or split out wide. He still has the speed to break one too.

  11. nomaan78 - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    With the 5th pick in the 2015 NFL draft…….

    The Washington Redskins Select…….

    DANNY SHELTON!!! Defensive Tackle, Washington

    Fans erupt: YAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After Orakpo re-signs, Shelton would be a big addition to our new D-line, with Cofield, and Bowen now gone

    With the 38th pick in the 2015 NFL draft…..

    The Washington Redskins select……

    Ameer Abdullah!!!!! RB Nebraska.

    Electric, speedy passcatching back, compares very well to Giovani Bernard. Fear Ameer!!!

  12. nomaan78 - Feb 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    3rd Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M
    4th Gerod Holliman FS Louisville
    5th Kurtis Drummond Michigan State
    6th Ladarius Gunter CB Miami
    7th BPA

  13. nomaan78 - Feb 28, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    Free Agency

    Ricky Jean Francoi IND
    Mike Iupati SF
    Brian Orakpo OLB WSH
    Jarvis Jenkins WSH
    Ron Parker SS KC
    Rahim Moore FS DEN

    • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM

      Replace Iupati with Orlando Franklin or James Carpenter who can play RT & G and I’m down

  14. kenlinkins - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:09 PM

    Redskins Nation, A minor adjustment to an I/R CB, two easy Cap Cuts and signing a low level DL to the 90 man roster does not “A PLAN” make! Until we see what the new GM feels can be corrected and what must be replaced it is way too early to know just what the 2015 Redskins will look like. The really good news is that the GM doesn’t have his finger prints on the RG3 deal, the Hatcher signing, the Orakpo tagging, the drafting of Murphy or any one of the deals given to the Shanahan O-Line (and the Lauvao deal) and shouldn’t feel like he must save face trying to get something more out the those moves. If he feels they can be corrected with coaching, or they must be let go to find other productive players, he can do so without any egg on his face. Until March 10th (Free Agents can sign) and the Draft, the only moves we will see are the signings of our own Free Agents, and the only on of any real impact is Orakpo (as his signing might effect the 1st draft pick). So, IMO signing would be a big mistake. It is time to move on and either Murphy steps up or the new GM drafts and rebuilds the pass rush over the next two years. Why would a new GM want to step into the middle of the Orakpo mess, even for a cheap one year deal (if he plays OK, you have to face the same thing in 2016). IMO the new GM is smarter than that.

    • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 3:40 PM

      Your right to a certain extent, but last year Washington’s FO bought scouting reports from McC’s firm… I don’t for sure, but it seems like a few of the names they drafted might have been his guys. ( Murphy, Long, Breeland, Bolster) They all fit his “football player” philosophy as the knocks on Murphy, and Breeland for that matter were that they aren’t fast enough. As for Long and Bolster, big body for O-line and a strong special teamer. My guess would be that Moses “fell” to us and Washington had a higher grade on him.

      • kenlinkins - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:57 PM

        Interesting insight, I wonder if any one has asked the old GM (Allen) how he used the new GM’s information in making his picks in 2014 and how he graded other players that were drafted by other teams and the results. (i.e. did the new GM give the Redskins a few winners that they passed on?) And if the results helped the Redskins pick the new GM as their own! While the jury is still out on the top 5 guys (Murphy, Long, Moses, Breland and Grant) all seems to show some development and avoided the “Bust” tag. Seastrunk and Bolser are still on Practice Squads with only Hocker out of the NFL right now. Rich: Any insight into the idea that new GM’s work last year help him with the Redskins?

        • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM

          I was wondering the same things… Forgot to include Grant, he fits the mold perfectly as well. Would like to know about the info Washington purchased from McC last year but doubt we’ll ever hear about it.

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:08 PM

          McCloughan was working for the Seahawks during the leadup to the 2014 draft so he wasn’t giving any information to anyone. He didn’t set up his consulting business until summer of 2014.

        • kenlinkins - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:14 AM

          Thanks Rich, So, McCloughan had nothing to do with the Redskins draft of 2014. That was totally on GM Allen watch.

    • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:13 PM

      Worked for Maclin & the Eagles

  15. bangkokben - Feb 28, 2015 at 4:46 PM

    If we’re drafting Sheldon at 5, we need to draft Wolowitz and Koothrappali in the later rounds. Some say Hofstadter could play on the line but I’m sure he’s too soft.

    • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:02 PM

      Funny how auto-correct works.

      Never even noticed it was putting “Sheldon”

    • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:30 PM

      For the Redskins to select Shelton at #5, here’s what has to happen:

      (1) The Redskins have to rate Shelton as a top five pick. While many commenters on Rich’s posts seem to do that, it’s rare for people who post Big Boards as part of their living to rank Shelton that high. I checked 10 published Big Boards; only one had Shelton as a top five pick.
      (2) Winston and Mariotta have to be selected in picks 1 through 4. Otherwise, we expect to trade the #5 to a more quarterback needy team. This also assumes the Redskins don’t select one of those quarterbacks.
      (3) Leonard Williams is also off the Board at #5. The consensus is that Williams is a better player than Shelton. If Williams is there at number #5, the Redskins select Williams.
      (4) The Redskins get no other worthwhile trade offers for #5. This might be from a team that wants a particular wide receiver, offensive tackle or edge rusher.

      So for the Redskins to pick Shelton, we know who 3 of the first 4 picks will be and the Redskins rank those 3 among their top five prospects. Minus those 3 selections, the Redskins can have only one other player ranked higher than Shelton, and THAT player also gets picked before #5.

      In other words, “perfect storm”. Possible but pretty unlikely.

      As for the “need” for a nose tackle, Chris Baker is the nose tackle as of today. Drafting Shelton will displace Baker, though Baker can also take snaps at defensive end. Drafting an edge rusher will similarly displace Trent Murphy. But getting production from Murphy in a new arrangement is Joe Barry’s job, and it’s a problem he should welcome. Ask him if you can have too many pass rushers.

      BTW, when I spell Shelton, autocorrect suggests Shelton when enter the o, but nothing before that.

      • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 3:55 PM

        Do you think Scot McCloughan is looking at big boards?

        If he’s anything like me, he’s watching Fowler and wondering why he doesn’t have a lot of production. He’s loling at Beasley and seeing all his production but wondering if he can keep weight on and handle playing 3-4 OLB against LTs in the NFL, same for Gregory and he may be concerned about Gregory’s knee. He’s also probably wondering in Shane Ray is a one year wonder and questioning if he wants to take a player with a foot injury @ 5.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM

          Of course, Scot McCloughan is looking at a Big Board: his own. I hope and assume McCloughan is nothing like you and sees many, many things you don’t see, and discounts things you find important. The chance that McCloughan has a top five grade on Shelton is less than 20%, because a big part of his livelihood is tied up in his Big Board. And the other constraints I mention drives down even further the chances of the Redskins selecting Shelton at #5. My reasons are still valid. Shelton won’t be the pick.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 8:10 PM

          Who do you think we’ll select?

        • captblood3000 - Mar 2, 2015 at 4:24 AM

          What you mean, we? Are you in the Redskins front office?

          If I had to guess, their pick would be among Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler and Kevin White. If none of these are available, then either Winston or Mariotta will be available at #5. When Gruden named Griffin his starting quarterback the Redskins signaled their willingness to trade down in that scenario.

        • abanig - Mar 2, 2015 at 5:04 AM

          I just wanted to ask that question because you’ve been ripping people for thinking Shelton was the guy but I didn’t see where you offered your own thoughts.

          I would say that you have been ignoring McCloughan since we hired him. He’s said repeatedly that he loves big guys, you win with the big guys.

          Certainly, that can be bigger WRs or bigger corners and bigger linebackers but I took it as if Scot has a similar grade for an defensive lineman or offensive lineman as he does a flashy position player that he’ll go with the big man.

          The problem with your scenario is that Williams isn’t going to fall past 3, and Fowler and White don’t fit the definition of a big guy. Fowler also doesn’t have the production that a film rat guy like McCloughan would want to see to warant a top 5 pick.

          So, when I go through all that, it leaves me with Shelton or Scherff. The Redskins could trade back and probably get either player, but if they value either, they can’t trade back behind the Giants because the Giants needs are the same as ours and they’ll miss out on the top or one of the top players in the positions we’d like to address; S, DL, RG/RT, CB, LB, TE

          As for safety, which is out most glaring need because we literally have nothing but two inexperienced players who are rookies in playing time, there isn’t a player worth taking in the top 10. I’ve seen one mock on draftek where they predicted Landon Collins will fall to round 2 and the Bucs will take him – I’m not sure why they think he’ll fall that far – but it would be pretty awesome if Collins fell to the Redskins in round 2.

        • captblood3000 - Mar 2, 2015 at 8:56 AM

          And I knew you were asking what for you was a rhetorical question: who but Shelton should be the pick at #5? I’ve used logic on you, but you live in a logic-free zone full of tired arguments.

        • abanig - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:28 AM

          At 5, the Redskins could take one of the pass rushers as well, but none of them really excite me and they all have question marks in their games.

  16. bangkokben - Feb 28, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    I may be a card carrying Shanahater but at least when he was building the defense in 2011 we signed young free agents on the line – Bowen and Cofield. Our new GM jumps on Ricky-Jean like a dog on a bone after the Colts tire of his performance and salary. Seriously, a 28-year-old 7th round never-was? We couldn’t even let him test the market?

    2011, Shanahan also traded back and drafted Kerrigan and Jarvis Jenkins instead of staying put and selecting J.J Watt.

    It’ll be interesting to see who are the solutions for the defense in the next couple of months.

    • 214hof - Feb 28, 2015 at 7:56 PM

      I don’t think it was as bad of a move as you’ve portrayed it… Yea 28 is and oldish FA signing, but he’s 2 years younger then Bowen & Cofield. Add to the fact that B&C were a combined 9.6 mill to RJF’s 3 mill(or so) and the move looks good, providing Francois play at or about the level of either. (which shouldn’t be that hard)

      • bangkokben - Feb 28, 2015 at 8:24 PM

        Disagree. RJF has never played at either level for a whole season when Bowen and Cofield were his age or younger. Really, this guy had suitors? Couldn’t wait to see what else might be available? RJF seems to be this year’s Lavaou. Had Bruce Allen made this move, this board would blow up with the comparison. First move a stop gap guy signed to starterish money? Seems like the move could be made a month from now. Actually, it seems as if we were bidding against ourselves.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Feb 28, 2015 at 9:58 PM

          Should have waited could have gotten him cheaper I would rather have Clabourne. Bucs DE

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:00 PM

          Y’all can stop blaming Bruce, Scot is running this show now. Scot drafted RJF, it’s clear he wanted him because it’s the first move he made as GM

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:02 PM

        Claiborne doesn’t fit the 3-4 scheme. RJF has only played in be 3-4 scheme in the nfl for the 49ers & Colts.

        They also didn’t overpay, the deal is basically the same deal they gave to Baker last year w/o incentives

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:21 AM

          I don’t see why he wouldn’t fit as a DE in a 3-4 he has the size needed to play the position.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM

          Adrian Clayborn is a 4-3 DE, he’s always played 4-3 DE. He doesn’t have the size of a DT. 3-4 DE’s are the size of 4-3 DTs. They have long arms, can two gap and are great against the run.

          Clayborn would get abused going against a guard in the run game

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:00 PM

          DE in a 3-4 usually lines up closer to the Tackle he is 280lbs may be on the lighter side of a 3-4 DE but he is also on the heavyer side of a 4-3 DE. I think he could make the transition and could still be on the feild for nickle pakages.

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:38 PM

          I think it’s more his length thats the problem. The best 3-4 DEs in the nfl are built like Hatcher. 6’4 to 6’6 with really long arms and are big but not really fat, 280 to 310 pounds

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:42 PM

          3-4 DE’s are playing the the 5 technique. Meaning, they line up in between the guard and tackle.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 1, 2015 at 9:07 PM

          Adrian Clayborn’s combine profile copy and pasted

          Clayborn has the ability to be a very good starting defensive end in a 3-4 or 4-3 front and can play some defensive tackle in passing situations. Smart, instinctual player, especially against the run. Doesn’t stay blocked long and can stop the running game right at him. Uses his hands and power to take a direct route to the quarterback. Doesn’t possess elite quickness or top-end speed which limits his big play ability rushing the passer, away from him in the running game, and in space. Clayborn could draw interest from several clubs due to his versatility. Probable first round pick.
          STRENGTHS Clayborn has good size. Uses a variety of power moves to jolt offensive lineman and get to the quarterback. Holds his ground well, gets off blocks and is a sure tackler when run at. Can play strong side end in a 4-3, the 5-technique in a 3-4, or move inside on passing downs. Great football IQ.
          WEAKNESSES Lacks elite initial burst to consistently beat NFL tackles and get the corner. Overall athleticism and fluidity is just adequate. Not overly comfortable tackling in space or dropping into coverage. Won’t consistently make plays chasing from the backside. Has some off-the-field issues.

          I think he would be great at DE in a 3-4

        • abanig - Mar 1, 2015 at 11:29 PM

          That’s nice, that was also 4 years ago. He’s still never played in the 3-4 and he’s going to be 27 in July.

          I still don’t think he has the desired length to be good in the 3-4. I’m sure he could do it, but it wouldn’t be ideal. He’s better as a strong side 4-3 DE.

          What’s his injury history like, hasn’t he had a few major injuries?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:12 AM

          Ya he had 2 injuries most players do. Unless its a back injury or pec tear I wouldn’t be concerned. Those 2 injuries seem to reacurre with players who are on the line or rush the passer often. Same with tricep injuries. By the way he is only 2″ smaller and has 1″ less arm length than Murphy.

        • abanig - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:23 AM

          Well here’s my issue, so did Rak, yet most of Redskins nation acts like his services are nothing and acts like he’s so, so injury prone compared to other players.

          Sorry, I just don’t get it.

          I get that everyone had high expectations for Rak to be DeMarcus Ware and he didn’t develop into that player, but I don’t see any better options out there in FA unless Justin Houston is not retained by Houston – which I doubt.

        • abanig - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:35 AM

          The length is a big deal for a 3-4 DE

        • Stephfan - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:42 AM

          He should know that since he talks about postions so much and knowing them

        • abanig - Mar 2, 2015 at 9:55 AM

          Yeah. Well, I’m not saying that Clayborn can’t play the 3-4 DE position, but I think it’s a waste of a signing because he’s never played the position because he’s in his mid 20s and has never played the spot.

          Clayborn is not big, long and powerful. He’s had injury issues throughout his career and that’s playing a 7 technique, not a 5 technique.

          What he’d have to do is slide from lining up right outside the OT to inbetween the OT & G.

          Again, he’s had injury issues playing on the outside shoulder of the OT & being blocked by an OT or TE in the run game now he’d be asked to slide down and hold up against a OG & OT in the run game.

          Yeah, I have a question if he can hold up

      • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:10 PM

        Cofield & Bowen were only a year younger when we signed them and we have them a deals that were 2x & 3x as big.

        Seriously … Not s big deal, and RJF’s contract is a lot more cap friendly than Bowen & Cofield’s

        • Stephfan - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:13 PM

          You know your stuff

        • abanig - Feb 28, 2015 at 10:19 PM

          Yeah, there’s this thing called the World Wide Web, it’s amazing! There’s all kind of information on it! Some people know how to use it, some don’t… Lol ;)

  17. Joe - Mar 1, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    The Redskins most likely trade back and pick up picks, ive been coaching football for 20 years. Ive seen all types of players from amazing to terrible. The best QB’s that ive coached are the guys that study film and put forth classroom effort. My opinion is Griffin will be injury prone or high risk for injury fot the rest of his career. The man definitley is a very gifted athlete and i dont want to take anything away from what he accomplished but..Kirk Cousins will be a great QB. When he was taking the snaps, he moved the ball better and was more decisive. He might have thrown INT’s but all your great QB’s have thrown them. If you dont have confidence in your offensive line you will make mistake. Redskins in my opinion would be smart to sign Kirk Cousins right now to a long term deal. Because if only a back up, he will be a very good one to have. I think though and you will probaly see Griffin getting hurt and you better have a plan when this happens. I would get a offensive line and Cousins would be my starter, trading Griffin and signing a back up for Cousins.

  18. deepball1 - Mar 1, 2015 at 1:53 AM

    Shelton and Williams are the only 2 can’t miss Defensive prospects. Both will be Pro Bowl guys in the NFL.

  19. deepball1 - Mar 1, 2015 at 2:00 AM

    if I am the brand new G.M. and been away from the NFL for a year with a drinking problem and everybody is watching me…I am going with the SAFEST pick possible. I am taking Shelton. I am not trading down to pick up more 5th round picks and I am not taking a wideout or another QB just so fans can criticize me…..I am going with somebody who will make the Pro Bowl and help my team. Shelton or Williams if either is there at 5.

    Although a risky pick…taking Gregory is a BOLD move and Shane Ray could possilbly be the best move. We will learn a lot about Scott M. the moment we hear a name at number 5. Archives

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