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How can the Redskins build a Super Bowl quality O-line?

Jan 29, 2015, 1:52 PM EDT

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The Redskins have needed to improve their offensive line since the last rendition of the Hogs broke up over 20 years ago. The team has had some solid individual linemen in that time but the unit has never been up to the quality that it was during the Super Bowl glory years from 1982-1991.

How can the Redskins build a Super Bowl offensive line? To figure that out it might be good to take a look at how the offensive lines of the two teams that in the Super Bowl were built. Here’s a look at the expected starters in the Super Bowl and the starters who finished up the 2014 season for the Redskins.

Interior line

Seahawks: C Max Unger (round 2/2009) missed 10 regular season games with injuries but he appears to be back in form for the playoffs. He has two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro on his resume. RG J. R. Sweezy (7/2012) was a late-round pickup who has paid off with 31 starts in the last two years. The Seahawks picked LG James Carpenter (1/2011) in the first round in 2011 but injuries have had him in and out of the lineup.

Patriots: Rookie C Bryan Stork (4/2014) missed the AFC title game with a knee injury but should be back for the Super Bowl. LG Dan Connolly (UDFA) came into the league undrafted and was picked up off the street by the Patriots in 2008. He has started 71 games for them since then. RG Ryan Wendell (UDFA) made the Patriots as an undrafted free agent in 2008 and has been their starting guard for the past three seasons.

Redskins: The Broncos drafted C Kory Lichtensteiger (4/2008), who sat out a season in between being cut loose by Denver and picked up by the Redskins. LG Shawn Lauvao (3/2010) was drafted by the Browns and signed by the Redskins as a free agent in 2014. The Redskins signed Ravens draft pick RG Chris Chester (2/2006) as a free agent in 2011.

Tackles

Seahawks: The Redskins took a real hard look at LT Russell Okung (1/2010) in 2010 but they took Trent Williams instead. Seattle took RT Justin Britt (2/2014) with the last pick of the second round and he started all 16 games this year as a rookie.

Patriots: RT Sebastian Vollmer (2/2009) has been the designated starter most of the time he has been in New England but he has missed 20 games due to injuries in the past four years. The Patriots got the pick the used to draft LT Nate Solder (1/2011) from the Raiders in exchange for DL Richard Seymour.

Redskins: The Redskins’ decision to go with Williams over Okung has paid off so far. Okung has been a solid player but Williams just went to his third Pro Bowl (one for Okung) and his missed six games due to injuries in five seasons (Okung has missed 21). RT Tom Compton (6/2012) took over as the starter this year in midseason.

Bottom line

Between the two teams in the Super Bowl there are three first-round picks (including both left tackles), three second-rounders, one each from the fourth and seventh rounds, and two undrafted players. Only one, Connolly (four games with the Jaguars in 200, ever appeared in a game for another team.

The Redskins start first- and sixth-round picks of their own plus three players who were drafted by and played for other teams.

So it seems apparent that spending high draft picks on the line will help, especially at the tackle position. But the Patriots starting a fourth round pick and two undrafted players in the interior should be instructive as well. The two undrafted guards for the Patriots took their time to develop but the patience has paid off. The fact that the Patriots felt good enough about their undrafted guards that they were willing to trade six-time Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins before the season started speaks volumes about how they develop their line.

It should be noted that the lines for the Patriots and particularly the Seahawks aren’t generally viewed as particularly strong. But they give their quarterbacks enough time to throw and create enough running room for the backs to be effective and, most importantly, they are still playing. I think the Redskins would be pretty happy with a group that could do that.

  1. timwillhidetimwillhide - Jan 29, 2015 at 2:31 PM

    Rich I would like to see us Draft Brown and Miller from Louisvilleto play Guard, Mason from Georgia Tech to play Center, and Collins from LSU to play Right Tackle. If we cant draft Collins and get the NT from washington instead than I think Brown can Play RT. Brown, Miller, and Mason can all be had after the second round . I would take the NT from Washington with the 1st pick if he is gone take Collins if we cant trade down. Second round take Phillip Dorsett if he is there if not take FS out of Louisville. Any remaining picks after the linemen are drafted take best avalible

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jan 29, 2015 at 7:19 PM

      I wouldnt mind us signing QB Bryan Bennett as an UDFA or even take him in round six or seven as a developmental QB behind RG3 and McCoy.

    • mr.moneylover - Jan 30, 2015 at 8:07 AM

      I agree with your Louisville picks and thats probably the reason the redskins might move back and pick up extra picks in the draft

    • murphsman - Jan 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM

      We have too many holes to spend 4 piicks on the OL, especially since we just drafted 2 last year and 1 the year before that has hardly seen any playing time. Give the guards time to develop. Though I wouldn’t be against us taking a tackle early for depth.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jan 30, 2015 at 1:15 PM

        In a perfect scenario I would take NT out of Washington. Phillip Dorsett, FS out of Louisville, Miller, Mason, Brown, QB Bryan Bennett. Thats 3 Oline. I wouldnt have a problem taking 4 though because of how bad the Oline is and not every Oline pick will pan out.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jan 30, 2015 at 1:21 PM

        I also feel we arent that fare off our major problem is a bad oline. The defensive problems were mostly Coaching ie. Lining up 12 yards off your guy, calling soft zone every third down, not blitzing for the whole second half….

  2. wildbill1952 - Jan 29, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    It isn’t the picks you put into the offensive line. It’s the evaluation of talent so you don’t have to spend first round picks to get great talent. Dallas is a lot like Washington – both owners think they know football and talent. Both owners couldn’t pick the best monkey out of a barrel with one monkey in it. The difference is that Dallas went where you know you can get starting caliber talent – the first round. The Skins have pulled OL from the first round pick twice in the Snyder era – once for LT Chris Samuels, once for LT Trent Williams. If the Skins pick an OL in the first round, it’s almost impossible to go wrong. (Almost) And Dallas did it by stretching each of those years. So they didn’t get the best value for their pick, but in the long run, it worked. They got 3 very good OL, even if they reached for each of them.

    The Skins keep trying the “diamond in the rough” approach. But without someone who knows how to evaluate OL talent, you end up picking up guys who just aren’t any good. They ride the bench all year long and only make it into the game when the starter, who is terrible by league standards, gets hurt. Then they put in one of their draft choices that’s just as bad or worse. That’s a problem with talent evaluation. This year they chose Long over Gabe Jackson. Jackson is one of the starting guards for Oakland. Like Long, when they drafted Leribeus the question was “Who is that?” and they bypassed more highly rated guards like Brandon Brooks, the starting right guard for the Houston Texans. The linemen the Skins have drafted just don’t play. So the real question is “What idiot suggested the Skins draft them in the first place?”

    Whoever it was, that’s the guy you find. And that’s the guy you fire. Then find someone who knows how to evaluate OL talent. And then draft a right tackle. But unless you’re spending a first round pick on him, you need to know who it is that might actually be a good player. Right now, the Skins draft board of OL is selected by using darts.

    • deepball1 - Jan 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

      GOOD points about going into the first round for offensive line talent, but the same thing can be true of every position. Look at that Defensive line. Why do we always have to steal Dallas Players away on Defense. somebody has a good game against us and Snyder and Allen are immediately on the phone trying to get them instead of realizing that it might just be due to the fact our offensive line sucks.

      Hatcher did not look like the ALL PRO he was in 2013 when he played for us. Bowen was injured and worthless all year. Barry Cofield we stole from the Giants. Scott M is correct about building through the draft and using Free Agency only as a last resort of filler. So I don’t expect more than ONE big signing this offseason and that will probably be safety since that is the extreme position of need immediately and there doesn’t appear to be a candidate in the draft who can start.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jan 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        Hatcher looked like an ALL PRO playing in a 4-3 he really didnt do much when Dallas was running the 3-4

  3. mr.moneylover19 - Jan 29, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Cant compare the two teams…we had bad drafts and we had a coach who didnt take the time to develop young talent instead they cut them…now we will get to see some young players who will start next season because scot gonna add talent players to the roster and it will be up to the coaches to get them ready before the season start…they added bell the big 6’6 wide receiver now will they give him a legit chance to make the roster I guess we gotta wait and see

  4. mr.moneylover19 - Jan 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    They picked tyler polumbus up off the streets thats how u know they are desperate for talant tyler polumbus is straight garbage he should be somewere working a 9 to 5 not playing on a football field

  5. polofourme - Jan 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    What can we do to build a SB caliber OL..you do it just like DAL did..one draft at a time…you focus your top three draft picks this year and next and the find best OL player you can find in the draft. Its NOT rocket science. Once you get the line rebuilt you let them play through all the growing pains and if you need one more piece you go and find that in FA. But you have to have a plan, and stick to it and WAS has NEVER done that and we seem to have a GM whose philosophy is regardless of position, you draft the best player available..and to me that’s a disastrous way to go about rebuilding an OL let alone an entire roster. And that kind of thinking really concerns me about our new GM..

    • hcicron - Jan 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

      Your plan goes against what Rich just pointed out. That the two teams in the Super Bowl both spent a combined 3 first rounders, not 1 per year for 3 years. You want to be like Cowboys fine I’d rather have the success of Patriots and Seahawks. Just a few years ago the Browns had what was considered a great oline with two first rounders in Thomas and Mack. Team still lost a lot of games due primarily to being deficient at every other offensive position. We all want a better oline but that doesn’t mean you have to ignore rest of team to do so.

      • polofourme - Jan 29, 2015 at 4:52 PM

        Ah that is the problem the entire roster has gapping holes in it and there is no way even in three years fix everything that is fundamentally wrong with the team…so what I proposed was to fix the OL first…and deal with the secondary, DL, LBs and special team players as we go along. The OL, with YOUNG starters will need time to learn how to play with each other and that takes time and while that is happening you begin to address all other other problems…there IS NO quick fix…you and other fans have to realize, it will take years to finally get the roster right and even at that, every decision we make both in the draft and FA has to be dead on. And that rarely if ever happens. But you have to start somewhere and IMO the OL will return the best results in the shortest period of time and when the OL is really ready, then you can go out and try and find a real franchise QB and be able to protect him and hopefully succeed. YOU have to have a plan…personally I want to see the OL addressed first but we the team can start where they decide to..but I want to see a five year plan and I want to see the team stick to it.

        • bangkokben - Jan 29, 2015 at 7:24 PM

          Utter silliness!

          This is not some an expansion team or college program that has no players. The best players on this team will be less than themselves in four years. Not to mention the best picks that YOU made will all be ready for their first big contract when YOU are ready to compete. Building a football team is not the same as building any inanimate object – it involves real life and real lives. Therefore part of it is decaying while part of it is growing.

          There are no five year plans. The average nfl career is a flash in the pan. Not everyone you draft will be London Fletcher or Darrell Green. There will be plenty of DeJon Gomes’ and Chris Cooleys. I’m sure most ‘skin fans five years ago thought that Cooley would be more likely to be in a pro-Bowl in 2015 than Jason Whitten after all Whitten is older.

          In 2010, the Seattle Seahawks went 7-9 and won their division and then subsequently lost 10 spots in the 2011 draft by beating the Saints in the wild card game. They ended up drafting tackle James Carpenter who is mentioned above as their LG. They could’ve had Ryan Kerrigan at 16 had they lost the game – but that’s loser talk. They continued to build the team with BPA missing a ton in free agency and trades – a truck load of $ to Matt Flynn, Sydney Rice, Percy Harvin, other moves — yet they had a philosophy of BPA and stuck to it and five years later despite the mistakes are in back to back Super Bowls. That worse division in 2010 has now been considered the best the past two seasons. BTW, Pete Carrol started the Seahawk rebuild the same time as the red faced loser, Mike Shanahan.

          “…it will take years to finally get the roster right…”
          Fundamentally flawed; your logic is. (Yoda voice.)

          The point of the blog post is that you don’t need a dominant line to be in the Super Bowl. Both lines are good and good for what each team does. The Cowboys are not in the Super Bowl, but if you want to crown ’em…

          Success in the NFL is not always about the roster. The schedule plays a major factor in who succeeds. The ‘skins will have a historically light schedule this year playing seven games against teams with double digit losses. Dallas and Philly are the toughest teams on Washington’s schedule this year besides Brady’s Pats and the ‘skins split with them last year.

        • polofourme - Jan 30, 2015 at 9:00 AM

          The Cowboys may not be in the SB this year but they are a heck a lot closer than WAS is or will be for years. You base you view on a false assumption and while your ranting’s may be logical, logic is not truth, it is simply logic. You started off with a false assumption you end up with a false conclusion, all perfectly reasoned by false. And yes, indeed, the real problem in rebuilding a roster like WAS’s, is that the roster has significant holes all thru it and can not be fixed in a year or even three years. And of course the longer it takes to rebuild a team, the greater the risk that once you get on problem fixed, say the OL, by the time you fix everything else, the OL then needs to be addressed again. Drafting and finding players in FA is the only way to rebuild a team..and making those decisions means you basically have to be right with every decision and that rarely happens. So how do you rebuild a team like WAS who has few good player and even fewer impact players. You can not do it by taking the best player available…you have to have a plan. If you don’t have a plan, NOTHING ever gets done and nothing ever changes. That is what has been wrong with WAS for decades..always the quick fix. I am sure you remember all those, “all we need is the one player acquisition”, that never took the team anywhere and if we follow that advise, this team will never be any good. You have to be disciplined. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN, and you have to hope every decision you make works outs….so where to start. Everyone knows you start with the OL and DL…its my view you will get a much better return on investment by starting with the OL…but you could start anywhere, DL, secondary, LBs…..but a helter skelter approach is the absolute worst strategy. I say start with the OL where we need 4 starters and depth. You need time for that group to learn how to play together and what better time to do that when you team is not going to win anyway…the next three years are really throw away years but once you get to the end product, then the challenge is to keep it together long enough to win..its a tough road but it can be done…and of course as each year goes by, the cap increases. But using your model, it just a recipe for same old same old…and that means more losing now and in the future.

        • bangkokben - Jan 30, 2015 at 10:27 AM

          BPA is how the Seahawks did it. They did it in every round in every draft and made it to the Super Bowl in 3 years despite missing a bunch in trades and FA, not to mention the draft. They happened to hit on a QB that is still growing in the 3rd round. This is how you get impact players. Their o-line is their weakest link according to the fans of the team yet their defense compensates with the best secondary in football in a generation when 3/4 were drafted in the 5th round or later.

          The Cowboys may have been closer than the ‘skins this year but now have to decide whether to pay Dez Bryant or Demarco Murray and they may have one more year until they have to give their left tackle the big bucks.. With Tony Romo’s health and age they are one kill shot away from being Brandon Weedans’s team. You want to hitch your wagon there, go ahead. Their window is closing and they may get it done before it closes completely but probably not.

          The only reason they are in this position in the first place is sticking with Jason Garret despite the years of evidence that indicated that it was idiotic to do so. When you change like the redskins, most of your efforts of building through the draft are wasted. Shanahan knew what kind of o-lineman he needed and how the league valued his type of linemen. Now we have Gruden who prefers road grader types and those developmental players from the Shanahan era are obsolete.

          “…there IS NO quick fix…” BULLSH!T. Redskins 2012, Broncos 2012-14, 49ers 2012-13, and Seahawks 2012-14. What did these teams have in common? Exception play from the quarterback position. Of course that is the hardest thing to find and then maintain. I’m not advocating drafting a quarterback or signing a veteran journeyman just disputing your statement. Why do you think Shanahan went hard after Peyton? A good quarterback elevates everyone as it did for the ‘skins in 2012.

          So we agree that the team has holes and needs to be built. What we don’t agree on is how long that must take or how to do it. Some of the answers may already be on the roster – a la Stephen Davis for Terry Allen all those years ago. We may not even agree on what are those holes. Here’s my list: both safeties, nose tackle, pass rusher (could be an end or an OLB), center, one guard, right tackle, blocking tight end, and quarterback.

        • bangkokben - Jan 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

          What’s this $27,773,000? Tony Romo’s 2015 cap hit.
          What’s this $13,039,000? Tyron Smith’s 2015 cap hit.
          That’s the sound of a window closing.

          So if this draft is similar to 2011, in your mind, it would be better to stick with the plan and draft Tyron Smith at number 9 instead of taking J.J. Watt? Even if you need both a DE and a LT. Both are good players but pass on the game changer – even if it’s a position of need – because you have a plan – like the tortoise. Building a team in the NFL is neither a sprint, nor a marathon, but more like 800 meters.

          If for years you approach 800 meters like it’s 100 meters, you will not suddenly win if you approach it like a marathon.

  6. John Karahasan - Jan 29, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    Draft oline. Trade back in the first round, get extra picks and use them wisely. The lack of talent on this team is crazy. Nobody on the roster should feel safe. Draft the bpa and in time we will have a talented roster

  7. Mr Hart - Jan 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Draft a lineman in the first rd. Oline or d-line. Build the foundation. Repeat this for the next two drafts. Cant go lamp shopping without having the floor built yet.

  8. deepball1 - Jan 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    yes the Cowboys have a great offensive line but put RG3 behind that line with the rest of our offense and he would still have problems. Tony Romo is special and so is Dez Bryant and so is Jason Witten. Then add 3 number one draft picks for the offensive line as they did and it is a winning formula.

    I am way beyond telling the Redskins what to do. I am just going to sit here and watch what Scott M. does with this franchise. It is clear to me that he is in charge and will help Gruden with the intent of bringing in great coaches and great players OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS…not months.

    My predictions would include don’t look for RG3 to be the starting QB next Sept. Don’t expect every position of need to be filled with a long term candidate. Expect either Danny Shelton or Shane Ray to be the pick at number 5. And expect Kirk Cousins to benefit more from the new QB coach and the upcoming changes.

    • brucefan1 - Jan 29, 2015 at 7:06 PM

      Is that the same Tony Romo who had half the Cowboys fans wanting to wring his neck by seasons’ end due to some massive mess up in a big spot during his first several years? (Thanks, Rob Jackson!) The same Tony Romo who made many NFL watchers say Dallas would never win the BIG game with him QB’ing them? (Still haven’t)

      ONLY after the Pokes put a good o-line on the field this season (instead of those poor ones of their recent past), and develop a great complementary running game, AND have a guy like Dez mature into a force did Romo take a step up in his development as a Top QB. In his NINTH season!

      Before that he was just an elusive guy with potential who flashed, but always found a way to break his fans’ hearts.

      • Joe Greene - Jan 30, 2015 at 5:43 AM

        Fans are idiots, as shown by most of you here. Romo, despite his playoff gaffes, has been one of the best QBs in the NFL for a while now.

        • Rich Tandler - Jan 30, 2015 at 8:07 AM

          And, you know, I’ve always found that the loudest one in the room, the one calling everyone else an idiot, is usually the biggest idiot.

        • murphsman - Jan 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM

          Since when does 2 playoff wins in 15 years make you one of the best QBs? Lol. Is Romo as bad as everyone says? Probably not. Is he one of the best? Hardly

    • mr.moneylover - Jan 30, 2015 at 8:18 AM

      Romo is one injury away from bein out the league ….now he had success they will have the biggest target on they back next year…spencer long played six snaps in a game and he did pretty good I think he will take over for chris chester next season….idk if morgan moses will be ready to take over yet on that right side he did good on the left side cause hes more comfortable on that side but he struggles on that left side

    • redskinsinrichmondva - Jan 30, 2015 at 12:22 PM

      Kirk Cousins’s ANY/A per start: 9.2 (Eagles), 2.4, 8.5 (Seahawks), 6.0, 5.1. With Cousins, you either get a great range of games, an okay range of games, or a crappy range of games. Which one is the real Kirk Cousins? Is this the more polished “pocket QB” that some posters rave about? How can you tell when he only played four full starts this season, and his production was all over the place?

      Meanwhile, Griffin’s ANY/A per start is as follows: 6.0, 6.2, 2.6 (Bucs), 3.1 (Niners), 6.4, 6.3, 5.4. There are clear outliers here, and those outliers represent just 63 of Griffin’s 247 dropbacks. Otherwise, he’s been consistently okay. Griffin has played more like an average QB this season than the crappy QB his detractors make him out to be, and that’s while dealing with injuries and learning an offensive style that he didn’t play in college.

  9. goback2rfk - Jan 29, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    If the Redskins are capable of building a SuperBowl offensive line than why have not they not done it in 2 decades

  10. hk2000 - Jan 30, 2015 at 12:38 AM

    Every body is ignoring the elephant in the room, worse yet, some fans here think the elephant is actually a vase of roses!!!!!!!!!! The reason the line is good in New England has a lot to do with coaching and scheme and little to do with talent, in fact many top performing Patriot players turn into average players at best when they go to another team. I don’t know who the Patriots line coach is or if he is the main reason for how good that line is, but I see Brady often getting 5+ seconds to decide who to throw to with no one within several yards of him. The last time I saw RGIII having such time was in 2012 when he scrambled in the giants game and bought himself enough time, no thanks to the OL. We have a clueless coach, a cluless GM (until now) and a horrible scouting group. Comparing the Redskins to the Patriots is like comparing a kite to a jet.

    • mr.moneylover - Jan 30, 2015 at 8:11 AM

      Exactly

    • Joe Greene - Jan 31, 2015 at 6:58 AM

      Dead wrong. It’s not an either/or situation. It’s good coaching/schemes matched with a front office that can supply talented players to fit those schemes. That’s how Beathard and Gibbs worked so well together. That’s why Bill Polian, when asked about drafting Garcon in 2008, said he was a “Colts type of player.” It’s been too long since we’ve had a coach/scheme long enough to develop a type of player to look for, much less a GM that could identify and acquire them.

      • hk2000 - Jan 31, 2015 at 9:20 AM

        Reading comprehension is another of your problems, or you just like to argue for the sake of argument. You probably would’ve completely agreed if I said Bob instead of RGIII. You’re so transparent!

        • Joe Greene - Jan 31, 2015 at 5:54 PM

          You said that it’s not about talent and tried to use NE as your reason for that. That argument is dead wrong. It is about talent AND scheme. Maybe you should learn to word your comments better instead of trying to talk down to people who categorically prove you wrong.

  11. mr.moneylover - Jan 30, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    Get rid of the old heads on this team and build these young guys up then we will be straight

  12. renhoekk2 - Jan 30, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    So much is perception. The Pats line looks good because Tom Brady knows where he is going to throw the ball before the snap by his pre-reading of the defense. He rarely gets touched because he gets rid of the ball so fast. Kirk Cousins did the same thing but he had a half dozen bad reads a game the ended up in interceptions or near interceptions. The Pats were ranked something like 25th in rushing with 3.9ypc. So how great is their line really. For what it’s worth ProFootball Focus had the Skins OL ranked 12th last season. They review every single play from every game and give a grade. They need a RT badly. The rest of the OL is not as bad as everyone thinks. They are not a bunch of Pro Bowlers but they are not the biggest reason for the losses that everyone seems to think. You don’t need the best OL or even a top 10 one if you have competent QB play. But if you are going to insist on playing a guy at QB that struggles to the basic fundamentals of the position on a consistent basis, then I guess your only recourse of action is to improve the rest of the team to the point that it doesn’t matter.

    • redskinsinrichmondva - Jan 30, 2015 at 10:28 AM

      Based on this past season, Pro-Football Focus also put Peyton Manning in the same tier of QBs as Kirk Cousins (“average”) and Alfred Morris in the “bad” tier of RBs, for starters. They also put Rashaud Breeland and David Amerson in the same tier of CBs (“bad”).

      Fans and beat-writers have both scratched their heads over some of PFF’s groupings of players. If you think that the Redskins’ O-line is the 12th-best in the league then that’s your take, but that ranking seems dubious IMO. A team with an above-average line wouldn’t be looking to change its offesnive line coach and draft top-end talent that could step in as starters.

      • brucefan1 - Jan 30, 2015 at 5:16 PM

        Rich,

        Even tho everyone’s probably put this article to bed and moved on the newer ones I just gotta chime in on your ProFootballFocus comment.

        I too have often been bemused by some of the rankings they’ve given over the years! Its often like “where are they getting THIS rating from?! What’s their methodology? It in no way jives with what I’ve been observing on the field!”

        So I too take a lot of what they say with a grain of salt. There are SOME things you just can’t qualify with numbers (especially blocking). Personal observation, plain common sense, and oh-so-many intangibles have to be taken into account also. No?

        • Rich Tandler - Jan 30, 2015 at 5:24 PM

          I don’t think I commented on PFF. I rarely quote them in posts for anything other than things like QB hits/hurries, drops, passing under pressure, etc. Their “grades” are not really reliable IMO because the don’t know what assignments the players have. Frequently you’ll think that a sack is the fault of the right tackle but you ask around and find out that the tight end was out of position.

          I’m a subscriber, I think it’s a valuable service, but its utility is limited.

    • hk2000 - Jan 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM

      They’re not the biggest reason, the biggest reason is the idiotic coach and his so called scheme. If Brady “knows where to go with the ball”, why in the hell would he stand there, ball in hand, both hands down, standing still and only his head moving left to right trying to find an open receiver while several defenders are kept several yards away from him for 5,6 even up to 10 seconds? I’ve seen this exact scenario so many times during the season and the game commentators would not utter a word about it, except ” WOW he is great, look how he calmly stood there and found his receiver, wow what a play'” Give me a break. You’re one of those sheep who just listen to so called experts- like Chris Cooley HAHAHAHAHA what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • brucefan1 - Jan 30, 2015 at 5:24 PM

        Wow! You getting a little sick of Cooley too?! Thought I was the only one!

        Imho, he’ seems to really have fallen in love with the sound of his voice and the “edginess?” of his comments. ( Don’t really appreciate the often crude, vulgar “frat-boy”patter that he frequently sinks to either — but maybe that’s just a generational thing. I’ll bet the kids eat it up tho. LOL)

        Don’t listen to him anymore; he’s getting too predictably off-putting.

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