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New Redskins DC Barry will be under the gun from the start

Jan 20, 2015, 1:27 PM EDT

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So it looks like it’s going to be Joe Barry as the Redskins’ defensive coordinator after all. Three weeks after parting ways with Jim Haslett, the Redskins are turning to the Chargers’ linebackers coach to straighten out a defense that was mediocre at best during the five years Haslett was in charge.

The hiring of Barry has not been met with a positive reaction from many in the Redskins’ fan base. The main complaint against him was his two seasons as the defensive coordinator of the Lions in 2007 and 2008. Detroit was dead last in the league in both points and yards allowed those two seasons and went 0-16 in 2008.

The Redskins certainly looked at that but they also likely considered the fact that the defensive talent on those Lions teams was awful. Most of the starters on defense were out of the league within a few years of Barry’s time as defensive coordinator.

You can look at the lineup here. Not only is there not a player as good as Ryan Kerrigan on there, they don’t have anyone as good as David Amerson there.

Although Barry’s past is certainly part of the consideration, the Redskins are more concerned about what he can do for them going forward. The word out of Redskins Park was that he had a very impressive interview a couple of weeks ago. This could have moved Jay Gruden and Bruce Allen towards making him their guy.

Barry will have to deal with the knowledge that he was the team’s second choice. They clearly had their sights set on former 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio before he decided to accept a job with the Bears. Within a couple of hours after getting word of that Fangio was gone, word that Barry was in leaked out.

Barry has a lot of work to do. The Redskins’ defense finished 20th in yards allowed and 29th in points allowed. The defense needs a major infusion of talent, particularly in the secondary and along an aging defensive line, if they are going to show significant improvement.

And he has to show that he can do a better job than he did with Lions. He has had six years to look at what went wrong in Detroit and the Redskins hope that he has been able to learn from it.

  1. obxskins - Jan 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    I hope our new GM ties Barry to Gruden and when they belly up both can get to packing! If he does turn our D around I will admit I am wrong…

    • bangkokben - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM

      How big of you! You’ll admit if your wrong but hope for failure for your team so that you’ll be right.

      • obxskins - Jan 21, 2015 at 9:06 AM

        Wise guy..bangkokben..I said I hope they are tied together not that our team would lose..open mouth insert foot as we do alot on here! I do think they will belly up but dag sure didnt say I hope they would…LOL!! wow

  2. jonevans511 - Jan 20, 2015 at 1:55 PM

    “Wait and see” is not sitting all that well with me, but at the same time the “lets see how this plays out” approach applies not only to coaching staff additions but frankly every FA and draft pick as well. There’s always a chance a guy will come in and make significant progress, just as there’s a chance they’ll completely implode.

    All I can do is keep my mouth shut until we see what product the Skins put out in 2015 and as long as this regime is in town. If they play with the intensity & intelligence we so desperately need, I’ll be satisfied regardless of our W-L record. For a team that tried desperately to make giant leaps in the off-seasons of recent memory, baby steps are what we need from this point on.

    • rhinochaserdesign - Jan 20, 2015 at 3:51 PM

      wait and see is the ONLY “choice” we have.

  3. thankslittlebrandonbanks - Jan 20, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    If Alexander the great had a few hundred lawyers under his command, we wouldn’t have ever heard of him. Give Barry a chance.

  4. skins4life7 - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:21 PM

    Tired of hearing about how well this guy Barry performed in the interview. That DOES NOT always translate to operational performance. BUT. Gonna give homie a chance. Everyone deserves ‘A Chance.’. But if he chokes. The first person that needs to get a swift one up his fifth point kid contact is Allen; followed by Gruden. There is no more room for excuses. The Fans deserve better than what these clowns up front are giving.

    • rtcwon - Jan 20, 2015 at 10:43 PM

      The only way the candidate that interviews best doesn’t perform the best is if your interview process is flawed and since you just did it, you can’t think that so the real concern would be the candidate that interviewed best NOT being the one you hired.

    • rtcwon - Jan 20, 2015 at 10:45 PM

      And fans deserve nothing. We’re fans by choice and the team owes us nothing but being there every Sunday.

    • shermanp79 - Jan 21, 2015 at 8:54 AM

      I think Gruden is first. We have to wonder what he is looking for? It’s clearly not success. His choice was to keep Haslet despite his 5 years of failure. He was blind to it, instead blamed injuries for the failures this year. I did at one point believe Gruden could get this team going in the right direction but A few things make me wonder. This decision is one. It was his choice, so his ass is #1 in line for kicking if it goes wrong. A guess for kissing if he is right. I preferred a proven guy. I didn’t want ‘maybe’ or a learning curve.

  5. timtowe - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM

    No coaching in the world can make up from the dearth of defensive players we have. No star corner, no safeties to speakof, and really one legit pass rusher. Let’s see what he can do with Robinson, Breeland, Kerrigan and Baker, and maybe a FA or two and a couple draft picks.

  6. letsusecommonsense23 - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:33 PM

    No player as good as Amerson on the roster in Detroit. Come on Tandler Amerson got rated the worst CB in football this year by PFF. You should know your stuff better then that.

    Jay Gruden could have bought himself another bad year had he hired a experienced and successful DC like Wade Phillips or Eric Mangini instead he hitches his wagon to another loser like Haslett in Joe Barry. He proves yet again he has no idea what he is doing. He will be shown the door next year along with the whole coaching staff by Scot M. Hopefully Scot M can convince Synder in that amount of time to hire a new President and let that fraud Allen walk as well although that is not as likely.

    • Dcwun - Jan 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM

      Rich was making the point that the Lions defense talentless to the point when they didn’t have a player equivalent to Amerson. That’s as bad as it gets for any coach. Amerson is a 3rd corner at best……

    • shermanp79 - Jan 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM

      I doubt he was rated the worst. He struggled at times but there are a lot worse CB out there.

  7. letsusecommonsense23 - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:38 PM

    Reports are saying that Fangio turned down the chance to make him the highest paid DC in the league with Washington to go work with someone he has never worked with before and who is a defensive coach himself in Chicago. I think that says it all on what Fangio thinks of Jay Gruden and the Redskins organization. He is probably correct too.

    • rhinochaserdesign - Jan 20, 2015 at 3:55 PM

      no competent coach is going to WANT to coach here. They want to actually win. And, if they came here, they’d have to look at Griffen’s stupid face everyday. No amount of money is worth that.

  8. bangkokben - Jan 20, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    The 2005 49ers were 32nd in offense (30th in points scored). Then Green Bay made the 1st year 49er offensive coordinator head coach. In the previous five seasons McCarthy’s Saints offenses were:
    2004 15th in yards 14th in points
    2003 11th/14th
    2002 19th/3rd
    2001 10th/13th
    2000 10th/10th

    McCarthy then trained Aaron Rodgers and won more than 100 total games including a Super Bowl with a career winning percentage of .647.

    Just saying that I too will hold out judgment on Barry until there is a adequate sample size here in Washington. What he did in Detroit six years ago matters how here in now?

    • rhinochaserdesign - Jan 20, 2015 at 3:57 PM

      i’m not following how these stats relate to a record of being DEAD LAST in defense the two years he’s in charge, one of those being WINLESS.

      • rtcwon - Jan 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM

        I’m not following how stats from 7 & 8 years ago when father-in-law was in charge of a Tampa 2 (4-3) defense relate to a guy who came in and said I like the pieces here, here’s how I’ll use them differently in my 3-4 scheme.

        • deepball1 - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM

          EXACTLY!!! Fresh start worked for Bellicheck. Worked for Sonny Jurgenson. Matter of fact, it keeps working for Pete Carroll.

    • deepball1 - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM

      just for the record, McCarthy has never been really successful in the NFL outside of when his QB’s have been HOF quarterbacks Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers.

      Kind of like John Fox is a great head coach because he has had Peyton Manning playing pitch and catch for the last 4 years. Lets see how he does without Manning up in Chicago.

      • alextwrs - Jan 21, 2015 at 12:00 PM

        And Phil Jackson is the greatest coach ever because he had MJ, Kobe, Pippen, Shaq…….. on and on and on………… Lot of truth in a joke!

    • shermanp79 - Jan 21, 2015 at 9:09 AM

      I get what you are saying but a QB such as Rodgers will win, no matter who the coach. I think McCarthy is an average coach aided by a future HOF QB. How many meltdowns have they had in games, they should of won. This past weekend being the latest. That is coaching!. You don’t leave the deep middle open, give up a big play on a fake FG knowing they need more than 3 points and not drill it into ST guys head what the plan is for the ‘hands” teams. So his success is less about him. A better coach doesn’t let those things happen.An unknown guy could improve this team but why not know a guy can do it. Even if no Fangio,, we could of hired Wade.

    • obxskins - Jan 21, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      McCarthy? LOL!!! and you call others wise guys…

  9. rhinochaserdesign - Jan 20, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    Come on, Rich. You’re just as depressed as we are are about this. Admit it.

    • Rich Tandler - Jan 20, 2015 at 5:55 PM

      I don’t get depressed, I cover and analyze. I see pros to the Barry hire and I see cons.

      And I’m seeing a huge overreaction by many fans who have never so much as heard the man speak. Are you better at your job than you were eight years ago? Should a coach be judged by two years at a job where he probably wasn’t ready where the talent was picked by Matt Freakin’ Millen? My God, if you look at just the negative about anybody you can come up with a horribly incompetent person.

      He was a position coach on a Super Bowl winning team. He learned under Monte Kiffen, perhaps one of the best defensive minds of all time. The Chargers have had a solid defense while he’s been there. He’s had experience coaching 3-4, 4-2, Tampa 2. Just take a deep breath.

      I don’t know how this will work out but I’ll predict that if he gets some defensive talent that the Redskins will have a pretty good defense. If they don’t get good players he won’t.

      > > >

      • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM

        To me the main issue is a lot of those Tampa philosophis don’t translate to the 3-4. Regaled of what we want he will have his chance, but many of the decisions Gruden has made don’t give him any leeway or cloat, so any adversity will be magnified. Also, someone mentioned Mike McCarthy but he did have a top 5 scoring Off before he was hired. Over 2 years Barry’s def remained the worst at that time. Conversely, Kirk O has produced at least 4 off the top of my head yet he was never an option. The reason people dislike the hire is because he hadn’t proven he was more qualified than any of the other Coordinators that were interviewed

      • Curtis Sirles - Jan 21, 2015 at 10:32 AM

        @Rich: that can be said for anyone though: “If we have good talent we will be good, if we don’t we will be bad.” I’m not saying I’m focusing on just the negative, but we had a chance to go get a guy who has consistently turned around bad defenses in the first year he gets there (Wade Phillips). Tie in the fact if Barry is as good as Gruden says he is, why make it appear that we settled on him by our organization instead of going out and signing Barry before Fangio went elsewhere.

        • Rich Tandler - Jan 21, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Well, let’s see. They hadn’t signed Barry. Word leaked out that he was their guy but they waited to talk to Fangio. They didn’t want to let one media tweet prevent them from doing what they had planned.

          You can make a perfectly good case for Phillips. I like him too. But it appears that he will go through a second straight hiring cycle without a job. Well over half of the teams in the NFL have changed DC’s since last January and none chose Phillips. He hasn’t even had another interview this offseason other than the Redskins, at least not that I’ve heard of.

          Like players, sometimes the NFL retires coaches instead of them retiring when they want to. Maybe this is happening to Wade? I don’t know that but the Redskins are far from the only team that didn’t want Phillips to run their defense.

  10. Bryan - Jan 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    We as fans Always want the big splashy coach or player. Let me ask how has that worked for us? Shanny came here with his rings n resume and what was his record. Spurrier need I remind you. Gibbs 2.0 other than 2 long winning streaks to sneak in playoffs wasn’t very good. My point is had anyone heard of packers McCarthy before they started winning. How do you think people start? At the bottom and look at Pete Carroll he failed and now look at him. Yea we all thought we wanted fangio but let’s give Barry a chance before we bash him. Regardless this team needs secondary and youth on slime before defense is gonna be consistent. About only thing on d I like is the lbs and you could question them some games. Any just maybe this guy was a big influence on San diego d. I remember watching a game of theirs and people were talking them up. I’m not sure where they ranked but him coming from a different ran 3-4 maybe what we need only time will tell so everyone back away from ledge and let’s see what happens. What’s the worst that can happen we already know how it feels to lose.

    • letsusecommonsense23 - Jan 20, 2015 at 5:40 PM

      I’m so sick of this argument. Some experienced and successful coaches didn’t work out so lets go hire one that wasnt successful. Maybe that will work. So stupid. Things don’t work out here because there has been some combination of bad coaching and mostly terrible talent on the field. The Redskins took a step in right direction in getting a top notch GM in Scot M. Disappointed they didn’t hire a top notch DC to coach the players up.

      • deepball1 - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:29 PM

        DEFINE “TOP NOTCH”.

      • bangkokben - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM

        Scot M., as your so familiar with, is precisely why Fangio didn’t come here. New GM who DIDN’T hire the current first time coach who by the way won only four games. There is also the fact that this TEAM lacks talent. This is not the Buffalo Bills who just had the first winning season in forever and parted ways with their coach and then hired a loser/buffoon as HC and losers for coordinators as well.

        But we reap what we sow. DC is not a place to last long as a coach and if you don’t have faith that you have the time and resources to turn it around. Don’t come.

  11. Redskinsfans aretheworst - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    Their talent was not awful. You can say the best they could have been was average, but they had there players drafted a few players in the first two rounds, Leigh Boden went on to play with the Patriots for three years, Paris Lennon Started for most of his career, Cory Redding is still playing, and others came with verying success from Tampa. If this hire would have come from inside the building with his past then it makes sense, or if his poison was producing at a high rate since his last DC then it would make sense. But, they haven’t had a game changing backer yet, so this does not make sense. Why didn’t kirk Olivadatti get the same opportunity?

    • bangkokben - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:36 PM

      Hiring Olivadoti – or anyone from the former staff – would have elicited the same venom from the fans as this hire.

  12. deepball1 - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Amerson has talent. He has ability in one on one coverage. He showed that in 2013. The problem with Amerson was lack of film study and being part of a disorganized secondary scheme. Remember, Amerson was NOT the only one who appeared lost in Haslett’s and Raheem Morris’s schemes. Even veteran Pro Bowl safeties Ryan Clark and Merriweather appeared lost or out of position at times.

    London Fletcher said Haslett was lost and I saw that with my own eyes and yet everybody wants to blame the ENTIRE secondary for being lost on each of the individuals. WRONG! I believe we’re going to see a vastly improved Defense IF they start playing press coverage, teaching these players how to blitz properly, and if we see an attacking scheme instead of this constant read and react crap that the Skins have employed for the last 5 years.

    But then again, Haslett told everybody he was unshackled at the beginning of last season and it would be different and yet he just kept on telling his guys to play 10 yards off the LOS while rushing 4 inept pass rushers. Nothing changed of course from the first 4 years of Haslettt…year 5 was exactly the same defense. So we shall see if Barry decides to bring a DIFFERENT scheme with him and put these players in a different position because if he does the same thing the Redskins WILL get the same results. I have NO idea why they haven’t figured out Einsteins theory of Insanity yet. Haslett and Gruden must be real boobs.

    • bangkokben - Jan 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM

      As much as you’d like to believe that the same thing was done week after week, season after season; it’s just not the case. You had the same coordinator who used 35 different players on an 11 man unit due to the injuries. The defense would’ve been fine if the offense could’ve produced like it did against Jacksonville, the special teams produced any positive plays, and the injury bug was less severe. None of that happened. DeAngelo Hall got injured against Philly; the following week, Kirk Cousins lost his mojo – never to find it again, the specials remained a liability, and save for one crazy Monday night in Texas the defense failed to execute.

      I don’t care who coaches the defense as long as they can get these knuckleheads to execute – and that includes the OLB who consistently bites on the boot.

  13. Joe Greene - Jan 20, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Someone needs to drag Allen and Gruden out back and leave them in a pool of their own filth.

  14. goback2rfk - Jan 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    Another Mediocre Pick Up.. Jay gruden was a mediocre hire and so is barry

  15. nomaan78 - Jan 20, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    Great so now we have a DC who has a chip on his shoulder to prove he is better than his first stint in Detroit. I really wanted Vic and was shaking my head on the hire as well. But now that I sit , meditate and think about it for a minute, I actually think that this may turn out rather well. A coach in Vic who has accomplished something may seem to be the obvious choice and come in and fail like Shanahan. But a young coach who has failed and learned from his mistakes and still has the fire and will to succeed may bring out the best in him and his players.
    A coach who actually may be willing to adapt to his players rather than have his own plan, and be strict and try to force square pegs in round holes. Its a wait and see approach. Whatever the outcome of this, It is Gruden who will be responsible.

    • goback2rfk - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:12 PM

      No need to sugar coat it, there was nothing good about the decision. If the skins go say like 6 and 10 next year, I dont see how Gruden makes it to a 3rd year.

  16. goback2rfk - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    OK OK OK I Admit I was a little hard on Wade when we were thinking about him for def. cord.. But now that we picked up Joe “blows” Barry I take back what I said about Wade. I will take wade

  17. jscx3 - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    I hate the hire, the only good thing that he is Grudens man. When they hired gruden last year I was excited. After this year I don’t think he the one. I feel he was too stubborn with how he wanted his qbs to progress. I can understand if he had a couple of super bowls, but he has nothing. Let him and the new dc fail. They both will be gone and the new gm can hire his own coach for the players he will bring in. You don’t need wins and losses to evaluate players. If they are good they will stand out. Don’t get me wrong I want the skins to win. If they start doing well with what they have put together that would be awesome! I only want change if the people they have in place can’t get the job done.

  18. James Bridges - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    Barry wasn’t my choice either, but I will wait and see what he does, in the draft and what kind of talent he will bring through free agency, that will indeed give us an idea of what to expect, whether a good season for our defense and team or back to the drawing board, HTTR 4LIFE.

  19. red - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    I have been a redskins fan for years.I have to jump thru hoops to see my favorite team because im in tulsa oklahoma. I never flipped sides as bleak as things got with zorn and haynesworth. I am still not saying nor will I say REBUILDING. I did my work as a fan. I damn near cried when they said it might be santana moss last game here. I LOVE the skins. Shannys last season was rough but everything since then….HELL! Who was jay gruden? Why did we hire him? People said then it was because nobody wants to coach here. Im starting to believe it. Who is Barry? After this season more than anything we needed hope. I still had hope after sean taylor death, after rg3 hurt his knee rookie year, after shanahan forced us to can him, after we hired johns brother, even after gibbs left as coach i felt better  than this going into next season. I am a dreamer but this doesn’t feel right. I can not be happy about this. Our gm hire was great i hope he drafts studs for us. But i want to see someone on the field thats a winner. Gruden, barry, Allen, and snyder somebody get me an pill and a hard drink i see tough times ahead….

  20. skinsgame - Jan 20, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    I’m not going to pretend I have any idea who this guy is or how he coaches. I presume the head coach got his choice here and I’m alright by that. Relax. It’s certainly not going to get any worse than its been.

    • Joe Greene - Jan 21, 2015 at 4:01 AM

      The only reason to think that is to believe he’s not the coach he was when he had the worst defense in the league in Detroit. There’s no reason to think that.

  21. Raymond Martinez - Jan 20, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    When this defense is even worse than hasletts..Bruce allen and gruden will need to be held accountable for their disastrous decisions and all three of these tampa bay rat bum losers is FIRED…GET THEM OUT OF REDSKINS OFFICE!!!!!

  22. nomaan78 - Jan 20, 2015 at 11:37 PM

    Now we must add more talent to the Defense to give Barry some tools to play with.
    Who says we dont have an elite passrusher?? Kerrigan had 13.5 sacks
    Our run defense is solid. Need to be able to collapse the pocket with front 3.
    Use Draft to beef up the D-line, and add another passrusher.
    No need to remind me of the O-line either, but defense wins championships and O-line can be fixed with talent already on the roster and with a FA or 2 atleast temporarily

    FA

    Devin McCourty FS NE
    Byron Maxwell SEA (Maybe?)

    Mike Iupati OG SF
    Rodney Hudson C KC Cheifs

    Draft

    1st Leonard Williams DT Southern California
    2nd Nate Orchard DE/OLB Utah (Passrushing Beast who can be an OLB in 3-4 or DE in 4-3 Like Orakpo)
    3rd Jaquiski Tartt SS Stanford
    4th Chris Hackett FS TCU Horned Frog’s 6’2 195lbs and is a solid Free Saftey
    5th Marcus Hardison DT Arizona State
    6th Josh Robinson RB Mississippi State Bowling ball and can catch out of the backfield with some speed
    7th Jermauria Rasco DE/OLB LSU

    O-line

    Trent Williams, Mike Iupati, Rodney Hudson, Korey Lichtensteiger, Morgan Moses.

    I think with with a new O-line coach and some additions to solidify the inside of the line Moses can take the next step and be our starter at RT next year. With depth of Compton, and a vet FA lI have not listed.

    D-line

    Leonard Williams, Sam Baker, Jason Hatcher

    OLB

    Trent Murphy, Ryan Kerrigan, Nate Orchard

    MLB
    Riley/Compton, Keenan Robinson

    Saftey
    FS Devin McCourty, Chris Hackett
    SS Jaquiski Tarrt, Phillip Thomas

    CB
    Maxwell, Breeland, Amerson,

    • Joe Greene - Jan 21, 2015 at 4:19 AM

      Ugh. Why do you do this nonsense. McCloughan has stated very clearly that he likes big players. Devin McCourty is a sub 6′ safety.

      Maxwell would actually be a good fit who will be cheap since he’s an average CB who has size.

      Leonard Williams is a DE, NOT a DT, in the 3-4 and probably the 4-3 as well. He’s an edge pass rusher who’s also big and good against the run.

      Orchard is a guy who is nothing but a pass rusher who was tried in a hybrid role in college and severely lacked the agility to play in space. He’s a DE only. If we were going to the 4-3, he’d be an option despite being smaller than both Kerrigan and Murphy.

      Jaquiski Tartt went to SAMFORD, not Stanford. Seriously, do you know how to read?

      Hackett has a real shot of going in round 2 or even slipping into the bottom of round 1. He would be a great pick anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th.

      Why in the world is a probable rookie FA in Marcus Hardison, who hasn’t been projected to 3-4 DE at all and is too small for 3-4 NT, even on your list. He’s a sub 300 pound 4-3 DT.

      Josh Robinson is going to be there in the 6th round? Not very likely.

      Did you seriously move Kory Lichtensteiger to RG? REALLY? And with Morgan Moses, who most likely won’t be healthy in time, as the starting RT? Please stop doing this insane nonsense.

      • shermanp79 - Jan 21, 2015 at 8:45 AM

        Williams will be moved across the line, just as he has been in College. He has pass rush skills but is not a DE pass rushing guy , so he will be mainly a DT in the 4-3. The pass rush skills he does have would fit nicely in a 3-4 end. Putting that linebacker next to him would give offenses nightmares. He lacks the burst and speed you want in a 4-3 DE.

      • wsgullickson - Jan 21, 2015 at 11:41 AM

        A little harsh on the guy, no? McCourty has 17 ints over four seasons with the Patriots and would be the best FS the skins have had since Sean Taylor, but I guess since he’s only 5’10 and change he sucks. I got the idea that McCloughan was mainly talking about linemen when talking about it being a big man’s game.

        The reason I wouldn’t like McCourty is that if he’s allowed to walk via free agency from NE he’s going to be expensive, not because he’s not 6’3.

        He lists Leonard Williams as a DT because that’s what he played in USCs 4-3, but obviously would be a 3-4 DE, shown by the line:


        D-line

        Leonard Williams, Sam Baker, Jason Hatcher

        The point here is that Baker’s the NT.

        I like that he picked up C Rodney Hudson though I share your dismay at Lichtensteiger playing G. If they get Hudson that might mean the end here for Cory.

        Tom Compton is a RFA, which might mean that he gets re-signed but hopefully only as backup ROT. Polumbus surely isn’t coming back. You’re right about Moses, with his lisfranc injury he shouldn’t be counted on at all for anything very soon.

        • Joe Greene - Jan 21, 2015 at 5:22 PM

          Do you realize that our GM has publicly stated, and proven in his drafting, that he believes BIG players win. McCourty might be the exception to that, but it’s not likely with his own admitted philosophy.

    • redskinscaio - Jan 21, 2015 at 10:45 AM

      impossible. The SKins only have around 15 million in cap space. The free agents you’re suggesting will all be signed for around 30 to 35 million. Never’s gonna happen.

      • redskinscaio - Jan 21, 2015 at 10:47 AM

        I like the enthusiasm but what you’re suggesting is a terrible plan. Most of the cap space is already being used on the defensive line. The entire defensive line is made up of expensive D linemen and you want to draft a DT in the first round?! Nope, sorry. Coffield, Bowen, Hatcher, were all expensive free agents who are still on the books. Trust me, the Skins need to go offensive line in the first and second…. Maybe a middle linebacker …

        • bangkokben - Jan 21, 2015 at 11:06 AM

          Many of “those guys” will clear the books before free agency much less the draft. Not saying it’s a good plan but Bowen and Cofield will be gone or at reduced cap hits. The ‘skins will have close $30M after cap cuts.

          But hiring a real GM gave me hope to not have to read this kind of Madden GM bullcrap.

        • wsgullickson - Jan 21, 2015 at 11:56 AM

          Bowen might be a cap casualty. Jarvis Jenkins is a free agent. Leonard Williams in some places is the top player on the big board – if he falls to the skins at 5 I can very much imagine he’ll be the pick.

        • Joe Greene - Jan 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM

          Agreed if Leonard Williams is there at 5. If that were to happen, along with Rich’s idea that our one FA splash is a true NT like a Dan Williams, then we’re looking at having a DL of L. Williams/Baker – D. Williams – L. Williams/Hatcher with the only need being NT depth. That also allows us to go into passing downs with Hatcher or L. Williams sliding inside to give us three guys who can get a push from the DL.

          That scenario would almost ensure that Cofield is cut and his cap space is partially used to get us the NT depth we want.

  23. shermanp79 - Jan 21, 2015 at 8:37 AM

    As one of those fans who wanted a proven guy, I will go with the hope he has grown and learned from his failures. I would ask if he is so impressive then why had no other team hired him the past couple of years? What was SD linebacking corps ranked the past couple of years? We have to be suspicious, did Fangio take the Bears job knowing Gruden wanted Barry? We know Gruden preferred to keep Haslet despite his past production, he hires someone with a failed past. Why not hire Wade, a guy with a proven past. If this goes bad next year, Gruden may be gone. I hope he made the right choice.

  24. redskinscaio - Jan 21, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    I just don’t like the excuse that the Lions had no personnel and that’s why they were terrible. A great defensive coordinator would have convinced his superiors and the other coaches that they need to go out there and sign some free agents and draft some defense.

  25. mr.moneylover - Jan 21, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    Jay gruden lifeline is on joe barry now….redskins will be looking for a new head coach in two years.. they took 1 step forward and ten steps back…the sad thing is they had better options to go to other then joe barry

  26. Greg - Jan 21, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    Zorn was a Great interview too! You should cut our losses now and fire the entire staff. They will be gone by this time next year.
    We have been watching this for 20 plus years the fan are smarter than these bozos.

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