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Need to Know: Redskins clinch last place with loss

Dec 15, 2014, 6:19 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Monday, December 15, five days before the Washington Redskins host the Philadelphia Eagles.

Three and out—Unacceptable football

1. It was hard to see the Redskins winning this game going in but they had a chance for a long time. I don’t know if they would have had a better chance if Colt McCoy had gone the distance at quarterback. He was on a roll on that first drive and perhaps he would have kept it going. In reality, though, that isn’t the way things are going for the 2014 Redskins. They play well in spurts, usually short spurts, and then it’s back to having the game dictated to them.

 2. Robert Griffin III wasn’t bad in relief. But the reality is that the Redskins scored just 10 points in over three quarters of play with him under center. That won’t win you many games. But he wasn’t as bad as he was against the Bucs and 49ers so his performance was considered a positive. In the words of Pierre Garcon, this is where we’ve come?

3. With the loss, Washington is now two games behind the Giants for third place in the NFC East with two to play. The Giants have now swept the Redskins so Washington has clinched last place in the division. That will be the sixth time in the last seven years that they have finished in the NFC East basement. A year ago when Bruce Allen announced that Mike Shanahan was being fired he said that such performance was “unacceptable”. Wonder what he has to say about it now.

Out: I didn’t like the very unaggressive play calling at the end of the game. Yes, the Redskins were trailing by 11 in the last two minutes so they were in miracle territory. But miracle finishes happen all the time in the NFL and Jay Gruden kept Griffin in the pocket, not his strength at this point. There were no screen passes called to combat the Giants’ pass rush against a shuffled Washington offensive line. If Gruden was going to do that he might as well call four kneel downs, there would have been less of a chance of someone getting hurt. And after Odell Beckham Jr. committed his only gaffe of the game by fumbling a late punt, they didn’t go for a touchdown from Giants territory. It had the look of a team that has given up.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference 3:00

Days until: Eagles @ Redskins 5; Cowboys @ Redskins 13; 2015 NFL Draft 137

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  1. Stephfan - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Rich do u honestly think rg3 is done? I’m a big supporter of him. What do you think? Honestly

  2. hk2000 - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    Gruden is more interested in making sure Griffin looks bad than in wining. We need a coach who can coach in the locker room and on the field- NOT ON THE PODIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need a coach who instead of telling reporters that player x is no good, he would tell player x that he is no good. We need a replica of Bellicheck.

    • skinsgame - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      Calm down. How does he make Griffin look bad? Are you saying that he calls plays that force Griffin to overlook wide open receivers? Or designs that require him to scramble INTO pressure?

      • hk2000 - Dec 16, 2014 at 7:04 AM

        I’ve heard it from people who actually like Gruden – or at least don’t want him fired- like Cooly and Sheehan: Gruden’s offense concentrates receivers on one side which makes them easier to cover and requires the QB to throw from under center which is Griffin’s weakest point. I don’t know, when you think about it, there must be a gazillion ways to run a play, a great coach can figure which is best for the talent he got. When I made my statement I did not imply that YOU should know how it’s done, but a great coach certainly should. You have to be blind or dumb not to know by now that Gruden doesn’t like Griffin. Did you watch his presser after the game? He Struggle to say something even remotely positive about him, and when he does, he immediately follows it with a qualifier.

        • skinsgame - Dec 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM

          So, you in fact do believe he is designing plays that force Griffin to hold the ball forever, throw inaccurate passes, take sacks, and avoid throwing to wide open receivers. Got it.

        • fwhalstead1 - Dec 16, 2014 at 7:36 PM

          Not sure what you’re hearing from Sheehan – he’s got zero clout as a former coach or player. As for Cooley? Yeah Chris breaks down Roberts play rather harshly in every game he’s played in so I am not sure who this other Cooly guy is either…go over to WTEM980.com and listen to Cooley’s breakdown. They’re in the audio vault. They are brutally honest about Robert’s play and his comments coincide more with what skinsgame is saying as opposed to what you are saying….Gruden is staying and he should stay. He should stay as long as Shannahan did. This roster is a dumpster fire and it needs to be ripped down to the studs and rebuilt. Robert is a huge part of the problem and he’s done nothing on or off the field that shows he’s improved at all with the exception of his social media. He has slowed down on that. As for liking or not liking Robert well honestly what does that have to do with anything? If Robert played up to par it would be irrelevant. No, trust me – it’s not personal. Gruden walked into a shit storm and a fragile QB who had the organization by the tail because of a super crazy 1 hit wonder of a 2012 season. The same season that ended in disaster and the remnants thereof in 2013 that got Shanny and Kyle fired, the very ppl who ran him the way everyone wants to do now. When they were here ya’ll bitched because “they” got him hurt. Now you want Gruden to design an offense, not Gruden’s offense, but an offense for Robert’s “unique” skills all in the name to win a few games??? Truth is the team was barely better than garbage at the beginning of the season. 6 wins, maybe 8 if they got a lot of breaks and very few injuries. They got none of either. They got extremely poor offensive line play, and even worse QB play, Robert’s actually being the worst of the 3. They had an abundance of injuries on the defense involving older players and other teams cast offs. At the end of the day Robert has not shown Jay anything that has convinced him he can run JAY’s OFFENSE. the other 2 guys have. They’ve proven the offense works very well, even with a garbage O line. Problem is they have deep flaws as well. HTTR!

    • jayovalentine - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:45 PM

      Blame this hire on Allen for hiring his friends brother… REAL coaches put their players in a position to win. Call plays that focus on the strengths of your personnel… Alfred Morris is an after-though now… so if we (hopefully not) keep Gruden/Allen do we trade Morris then since Gruden wants to be pass happy ??

      • alextwrs - Dec 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        Hate to say it but Silas looks real good catching balls out of the back field. Helu has made people miss for huge gains and now C Thompson provides a viable candidate for a 3 headed monster. Is it just me or do they look a lot faster than ALMO. Not that speed is Almo’s strength but he is just not versatile enough to be a 3 down back. Yes I know our Oline stinks.

  3. Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    “Robert Griffin III wasn’t bad in relief. But the reality is that the Redskins scored just 10 points in over three quarters of play with him under center. That won’t win you many games. ”

    Rich, that’s because the Redskins elected to go for it on a 4th down instead of kicking a 52-yard field goal, and also had a TD taken off the board. That’s 10 points there. And they also got zilch out of their running game (Morris 49 yards, 3.5 yards per carry, 0 TDs; compare to Griffin’s 46 yards on 5 carries). The only offense the Redskins got was from Griffin and his receivers.

    PPG isn’t a sound way to figure out QB play because it’s a team game, and other units can contribute to scoring and/or field position for scoring. The Bengals scored 30 points yesterday with Andy Dalton, but Dalton was garbage. He got lots of support from the run game, and a defense/special teams that helped the Bengals maintain great field position on several drives.

    • skinsgame - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:41 PM

      PPG is a great way to assess a QB play. It indicates trending and intangible factors not able to be tracked elsewhere. Is the QB making other facets of the offense better by running the system well? That is the single most important “non-statistic” and is measurable by the scoreboard. He needs others to play well in order to play well himself, sure. But it is telling that the team does not score when he is in the game. They collectively struggle and the play calling has to be limited to the parts of the offense he is capable of running. That makes them predictable.

      • fwhalstead1 - Dec 16, 2014 at 7:40 PM

        SKINSGAME – PREACH MAN PREACH!!!! Dead on accurate assessment!

      • Bill - Dec 16, 2014 at 10:48 PM

        It is a stupid assessment. Typing in all caps does not make it any more intelligent or accurate.

    • Rich Tandler - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:42 PM

      If you think that Griffin’s performance was worthy of praise, Bill, go right ahead and do it. I’ll say he didn’t totally suck and leave it at that.

      And, hey, how about if he holds on to the ball when he’s diving for the end zone? Kind of a self-inflicted wound, no?

      > > >

      • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:21 PM

        I’m merely explaining the folly of using team PPG to evaluate QB performance, that’s all. Back to the Dalton example; the Bengals’ offense scored 30 points yesterday, well above the league average of 24 PPG. He was one of the cruddiest QBs in yesterday’s slate of games.

        And, for the record, I thought Griffin had a average to solid game yesterday, not great. It just has nothing to do with team points.

        • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM

          bill if bob can’t put up scores his other stats don’t mean squat :)

        • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM

          because at the end of the day it all comes down to W’s and Bob has none this season!

        • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 4:16 PM

          Your objection “don’t mean squat”, because points are scored and games are won through the contributions of the entire roster :)

        • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:16 PM

          Bill Bob’s QBR Sunday was 21.3 does this mean squat?

        • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:17 PM

          the QB’S with high ratings score points the QBs with low ratings generally score little :))

        • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

          We go from a conversation about using team PPG to measure QB performance to QBR? You’re all over the place :))

        • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:13 PM

          No bill WE are just giving you the facts sorry you CHOOSE to ignore them :))

        • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM

          No, I CHOOSE to entertain your incoherent posts. They amuse me :))

          Keep ’em coming!

        • skinsgame - Dec 16, 2014 at 8:07 AM

          You’re pointing to one game with Dalton. And it proves my point. He’s not a polished QB but they put up points when he’s in there. That’s what I meant by intangible. He doesn’t trend toward 10 points like Bob does, he trends to 30. They’re in the playoffs. Bob has, what, 2 wins in the last 2 years?

        • Bill - Dec 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM

          “And it proves my point. He’s not a polished QB but they put up points when he’s in there.”

          …and? The Bengals also put up points (and win games) when my friend wears his orange Bengals jersey instead of his white Bengals jersey. Those are “intangibles” at work!

      • gasngo14 - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        also a good QB would have taken the free pass to the end zone when they jumped off sides before half at 1st and goal, but Bob crawled up the middle for a small gain.

    • goback2rfk - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM

      On a scale of 1 – 10 I would say Robert Griffin got like a 7 on that game. My biggest thing is that he looked more mobile and faster than usual. Or maybe he realized he would have to take some risks with his legs. I dunno.

    • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM

      “Intangibles” such as what? Does a QB close his eyes and release an energy force that makes everyone else perform? Is that what Dalton did yesterday, for example? Did anyone who watched that game believe that Dalton’s “intangibles” helped the Bengals score 30 points?

      Unless your name is Peyton Manning, and you have most or full autonomy over your team’s offensive play selection, you have to rely on a lot of things in order to execute an offensive system properly. And that still doesn’t take important factors such as field position, scores by other units, and the run game into account. No, team PPG is NOT a good method to use to compare QBs, and that’s why no halfway-valid QB stat uses it.

      • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:52 PM

        “You`re too pompous and opinionated and I don`t want ulcers.”

        And I couldn’t care less for your opinions. Go ahead, say whatever you like; call me whatever you want. Have at it. Doesn’t change the simple FACT (not opinion, FACT) that team points is a crappy way to figure out QB play. Heck, you’re better off using passer rating; flaws and all.

      • skinsgame - Dec 16, 2014 at 8:39 PM

        Griffin is the superior talent, you seem to think. Why is it the team doesn’t score when he’s playing? How many wins does he have? How many times has he finished a season healthy?

        • Bill - Dec 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

          I don’t answer loaded questions.

    • Skulb - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM

      I`m not gonna start arguing with you again. You`re too pompous and opinionated and I don`t want ulcers. I`ll just say that anyone with eyes can see that Redskins offense is trashy, and that RGIII has done basically diddly squat to change that this season and the last. You`re little sophistries are not going to change this embarrassingly obvious fact.
      Other than that I can`t take any more Redskins games this year and didn`t bother with the New York game. It was never gonna be a win anyway because the entire team has obviously given up a long time ago and apparently just want to avoid injuries before the season ends. I`ll take your word for it that RGIII wasn`t as horrible as he was against Tampa and San Francisco. He`s still one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL this season. If not the worst.

      • Bill - Dec 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

        See above.

        Oh, and as for Griffin, I’ll agree with you on one front: I’m not gonna start arguing with you. I already made my position clear elsewhere about his play in certain games, his season performance (especially compared to the other Redskins QBs), and how to predict his play.

  4. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Dec 15, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    With Trent Williams being ineffective and then out of the game, we were just lost.

    We made the Giants D.L. look like an all JJWatt crew. And the icing on the cake is that Moses was lost with the lisfranc. Sure, he’s not ready to start, but more game experience would have been better than losing him for the season. It’s like with Phillip Thomas: there goes the development time.

    This team has been so snakebit since Danny bought it, it’s hard to believe.
    ~

  5. colmac69 - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    First half was like rg of 2012 for best part….still was indecisive couple times and he missed zone read opportunity when he handed ball off instead of keeping it for bout 15yds….couple scrambles was vintage esp one dwn touchline and he passed ball pretty decent. …second half offense did nothing apart from 60yd pass…..o-line fell apart in4th qtr….play calling was questionable as well esp when we stopped giants at 28yd line. …going three out there was end of game…..

    Will take breeland all day….he going to b really gd corner and hopefully amerson can up his level as well and we should have two gd starting cbs for few yrs….pass int on breeland was terrible call just before 35td pass….he got himself in position to knock ball dwn with his arm which he did only for judge to throw flag……

    Missed opportunities yet again in redzone……costly last yr and same again this yr

    Since rgiii threw int vs vikings just before ht..in a game which we were dominating
    ……everything that can go wrong has!!!!!!just like vikings game last yr…at least we dont have vikings nxt yr on schedule

    • goback2rfk - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM

      I am not convinced Breeland and Amerson are going to be the complete answer with the Redskins secondary. We need atleast one lock down corner and build around him. Would Love having a guy like Richard Sherman that can lock down one entire side of the field.

      I dunno guys, Breeland and Amerson have done some great things this year. Breeland mainly in the Dallas game was where he shined. However, I have seen Breeland and Amerson get burnt multiple times this year. I would say Amerson especially has been burnt more than not.

      The secondary has let go a league leading 31 TD passes to opposing offenses. A good defense like Seattle has only given up 17 TD’s. The Skins also are near leading in Yards given up Per Pass Attempt Average at 8.2 That tells me people are not only passing it on the Skins, they are passing it down-field frequently not into the flats.

      To sum it up, the secondary sucks, the offensive line is like Rich said “downright scary”, we have not had a decent safety in almost a decade, were missing another pass rusher, the linebackers are questionable, the running back needs to be reevaluated, the quarterback has issues, the receivers are under achievers, the tightends do not play as well as they should, the kick and punt returner sucks, and the special teams are still crap. However, the punter, the punter is a guy we wanna keep.

      • jonevans511 - Dec 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM

        I’m not so sure Breeland can’t become something at least close to a lockdown guy. He’s definitely got the physicality, he’s got good (not great, yet) ball-skills, and he’s not afraid to take a penalty every now and again. I may be in the minority but it doesn’t bother me at all when he gets flagged for illegal contact/holding. 5 yard penalties don’t kill us unless we’re talking 3rd & short; long PI penalties and/or long receptions absolutely kill us. Ever see Sherman get beat? I have. But most times when he knows he’s out of position or knows he doesn’t have help over the top he’ll hold the receiver and one of two things will happen- either it’ll go unnoticed and the pass falls incomplete, or he’ll get flagged and the receiver has no chance of catching the pass.

        I’m not advocating penalties, but when your secondary is as leaky as ours is we need guys who will prevent big plays from happening AT ANY COST. To your point, Breeland absolutely has been burned this year but he’s a rookie and no first-year CB has ever been lights out from game one. Let’s also not forget this guy wasn’t necessarily supposed to be a starter (aside from maybe a nickel spot, which was up in the air during camp) so for a guy drafted where he was to come in and show no fear while making some big plays is more than enough to pass the eye test. Again, all of this is based on his first year. If he regresses like Amerson has seemed to do this year, we’ll be having a different conversation at this point next year.

        If Breeland works on his ball skills, gets a little stronger to match up with the freak-sized WR1s out there (he’s no weakling now, for the record), and becomes overall more disciplined, I think we have a heck of a football player in him for years to come. I don’t know, maybe I’m just a glass half full guy.

      • skinsgame - Dec 16, 2014 at 8:43 PM

        I’d like to see what those guys can do if there is a real safety on the field. A good safety could be a boon to the whole defense.

  6. murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    Hey Rich-maybe Snyder will come out and say this is “unacceptable” and say Allen is fired? Not likely, but we can dream. Lol

  7. goback2rfk - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Something about the statement “clinching lasting place” sounds funny.. What is that an oxymoron?! Or wait, I must be thinking about Jumbo Shrimp.

  8. goback2rfk - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    Breaking News .
    Washington Redskins head coach Jay Gruden will be back with the organization in the same capacity next season, according to Dianna Russini of NBC4 Washington. Well he is not 1 and done, looks like RG3 and Jay are going to have to learn to play nice together.

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