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Giants 24, Redskins 13–Five observations including flashes of the old RG3

Dec 14, 2014, 7:26 PM EDT

RG3 vs. Giants 2014

Five observations on Giants 24, Redskins 13

—No matter how you slice it, the Robert Griffin III non-touchdown run just before the half was a game changer. Instead of being up 17-7 the Redskns’ lead was 10-7. Instead of the Giants kicking off from the 35 to start the second half, they kicked off 30 yards closer, emboldening them to try the onside kick. That set up a field goal and completed the 10-point swing. A struggling team like the Redskins just can’t overcome a swing like that.

—I also was big because it was a flash of the old Griffin, the rookie of the year who would dash around defenders like they were standing still. It’s likely that the vintage 2012 Griffin (and, yes, I realize that words like “old” and “vintage” should not refer to comparisons of the play of a 24-year-old from two years ago) would have dashed into the end zone without having to dive and risk losing control of the ball. And that is the dilemma the team faces.

—There may or may not be a quarterback controversy after today. Colt McCoy only lasted about a dozen snaps before aggravating the neck injury he suffered against the Rams a week ago. It’s hard to see the Redskins going through another week of getting McCoy ready to play and then having him go out again on the first hard hit. We will know more tomorrow after McCoy is examined further and Jay Gruden gets a look at the film.

—Trent Williams went out with a shoulder strain in the fourth quarter and three of the seven sacks that the Redskins gave up came after that. We will know more about his condition tomorrow. But if he can’t go you have to wonder how well a line with Tom Compton at left tackle and Tyler Polumbus at right tackle can protect whoever they line up at quarterback. You also have to wonder how much money the Redskins will be willing to commit to Williams, whose contract is up after the this 2015 season. He has missed a game this year and his play has been hampered by injuries for a good chunk of the season. A good left tackle is worth a lot but the Redskins need to consider the injury issues before committing big money over a long term to Williams.

—The Redskins’ normal defensive game plan is to stop the run and make the other team one dimensional. They succeeded in doing that against the Giants. New York had just 19 yards rushing through three quarters and ended up with 49 on the ground, averaging 2.2 yards per carry. But the one dimension that the Giants were reduced to, Eli Manning throwing to Odell Beckham Jr., was plenty for them to win. Not only did Beckham catch 12 passes for 143 yards and three touchdowns, he also drew 40 yards worth of pass interference penalties on cornerback Bashaud Breeland.

  1. kenlinkins - Dec 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    Isn’t T Williams signed for next year at about $17 million? Or are you saying the Redskins might try to sign him to a new contract to reduce the 2015 Cap Number by offering big money over a longer term contract (which could hurt them over many years if he can not produce over many years)?

    • Rich Tandler - Dec 14, 2014 at 7:52 PM

      I’m saying that they might consider his injuries when negotiating his new deal.

    • Rich Tandler - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:15 PM

      Sorry, when I originally responded I did not realize that I goofed (since corrected).

      As of now, Trent is signed through 2015.

      > > >

  2. ajbus1 - Dec 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Hopefully it’s a sign RG isn’t completely done.

    They’re gonna have to take a tackle with a high pick.

    Anybody see Rambo make a pick for the Bills today?

    • Mike - Dec 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

      You mean rambo’s TWO picks!? Wow :x

      • theismann7 - Dec 14, 2014 at 10:09 PM

        Yeah….like always. The Redskins junk turns into someone else’s treasure….

        • murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:10 AM

          That’s exactly why I hope Washington holds on to RGIII no matter how bad he plays, because that’s what I’m afraid will happen if we let him go.

      • ajbus1 - Dec 15, 2014 at 12:45 AM

        Dang there was two!?

  3. shanevalliere19 - Dec 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    I liked what I saw from Robert today. There were pass plays that I watched his head move through progressions and more decisive throws. He moved in the pocket ok and left it when necessary to make a play. If he can learn to slide in the pocket both left and right he can do a lot of good things. It takes time to learn that especially when you don’t have to do it in high school or college. I know it’s the Giants defense but if people want to see progress in his game then today is a good start. We need an O-line as the 4th quarter suggests. Hopefully Robert can continue to progress and the load of picks we gave up becomes worth it. Hey people let’s let Robert have a non-injury off-season and regular/postseaon to see what he has. O-line in the draft!! HTTR!!

  4. goback2rfk - Dec 14, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    It was a big step to see RG3 play like that today. Had brief moments when he was running that looked like circa 2012 RG3. He looked faster today like he had an extra step in him, did anyone notice that? We will see what this means but I wont get carried away. The offense was ok, but not a factor in the 2nd half. And even though RG3 played well it is not like he was gunning it into the endzone for multiple scores or anything like 2012… However, I think the biggest take away from this game is the horrible secondary and the awful, I mean disgustingly horrible offensive line that the Redskins have. That offensive line is really bad. We gunna need to make some big moves in the offseason.. I think you stick it out with Rg3 let him get one more year to do or die.

    • Skulb - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:55 PM

      What confuses me a little is that the individual stats for the O-line seem decent: 19th overall, with a weak left end at 27th place. Meanwhile the team stats are 30th and below all across the board. There`s seemingly a lot of weakness surrounding the line though, and the blocking from the backs and receivers has been very unreliable. Could that be an explanation for these numbers do you think?

      • goback2rfk - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:58 PM

        I think you make a good point here. The backs have been awful in blocking and it has definitely contributed to the problem. I think the quarterback has held onto the ball a little long also and that has contributed to it also. However, very rarely is any of the Redskins quarterbacks not under pressure when they drop back

        • Skulb - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:05 PM

          I agree and occasionally it`s because the edges get bypassed and it`s on the line. But with about half the sacks vs the Colts coming from missed blocks from the backs, TEs and receivers you`d think they`d take more heat for it. When you have five guys on the line and there`s a blitz with 7 people coming you need those blocks or you open yourself up to being blitzed to death. All I`m saying is that the failures might just be complete team failures and fixing the line might not be the quick fix people seem to imagine.

  5. skinsgame - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:13 AM

    I’ve felt for the past couple years that Williams is, at best, inconsistent at left tackle. He’s not awful, obviously, but he’s not “shut down” either and they could upgrade there. It’s more likely though that the upgrades on the line will come from better coaching. He has size and speed and a good mentor may push him over the top and bring some of the youngsters along as well. OL coach should be a huge priority along with DC coach.
    It may all be moot for me, however. Even the teams perpetual stench is being outdone by Goodells mind numbing direction and the antics of the players. Politics does not belong in sports and it’s beyond silly to see these players with such a huge stage display their mental deficits so proudly now. The NBA began a trend this way and, sadly, the NFL is following suit. Not sure I can keep interested in sports when the players now wear shirts to announce that they are irrational and that in no way do we relate. I can’t be alone in feeling that way.

    • vinnie - Dec 15, 2014 at 2:43 AM

      New coach for Oline man….new Dc for sure.Get rid off Db coach.
      Gruden and his stupid stubborn attitude towards his playbook should be changed…..Just look at Seahawks man.
      Move the damn pocket.

  6. murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 3:12 AM

    I didn’t watch it, what are you talking about with a non-touchdown run?

  7. sidepull - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:46 AM

    Hogs. We need hogs. Three different QB flourished under those Hogs even with LT in pursuit. Either fix the O line or keep losing. I sincerely believe that Williams is a great LT and he is just becoming numb and dejected over the losses and play along the line. There has only been so much he can do, play injured, try to lead a group of misfits and to be honest he has no help. Not from the line and certainly not the coaches and FO who ignore the line year after year, plugging in second rate players that could not start for any other team. Fix the line or continue to lose. Its disheartening to watch the once proud Silverback diminished by this organization.

    • fwhalstead1 - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM

      Yep…amen! Alas I think Trent is done now…injuries keep nagging at him…

  8. dcfaninecuador - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM

    Even Trent Williams looks fat and out of shape to me. Maybe that could explain some of his injury issues.

  9. colmac69 - Dec 15, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    U got to realise williams been playing with literally one knee since he got inj early in season….its hard enough going vs gd pass rushers when u fully fit so its little wonder he struggling. ..that combined with other stuff last few wks takes it toll…..sometimes he maybe being too bold by playing through injs but u have to b smart I believe at times…….

    But they nd to address line…..makes u wonder why guys like rebius..long are not getting a look? Long process but line was actually playing ok for first 8 games only giving up 18, 19 sacks inc 6 to giants….now its 36 in 6 games…..what the reasons for that u have to ask

  10. bowlregard - Dec 15, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Fire Gruden and hire Todd Bowles.

    • sidepull - Dec 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

      Id take Bowles in a NY minute

  11. greed - Dec 15, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    guess l.fletcher knew what he was talking about Rambo was a bum for skins now he starts & make plays for the bills guess thats what happens when you actually coach up players develope them simplify things and put players in positions to succeed instead we run complicated schemes sign old vets sit young guys on the bench all season or cut them i bet you A.Rob ends up being a gd player for the Ravens sure couldve used him to stretch the field the last 3 weeks & if skins do let Rg go wouldnt be ironic if he signs with the Rams take them to the playoffs Ha !

    • murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM

      We’re not trading him to the Rams. They already have one young QB that can’t stay healthy-why would they want another? Lol

  12. murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    I saw on that RGIII is stargoodo Saturday and Gruden said he was going to “build the game around RGIII’s strengths.” Well duh! Where was that before. Wasn’t that what he was hired for in the first place? Lol.

    Also, I know everyone is saying how good players do after they leave here. Yeah- did anyone else notice how good Monty’s doing in Denver lately? Lol

    • murphsman - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:21 PM

      Starting. Don’t know what that was. Lol

    • vinnie - Dec 15, 2014 at 8:05 PM

      Finally Gruden realizes that his stubbornness with his playbook is crap….Nfl is bout winning,so use the strengths of ur Qb…..
      He also has to adjust the gameplan on the fly…

  13. fwhalstead1 - Dec 15, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Skins have a pretty good RB….his name is Morris…..just sayin…the Skins better draft a QB if the guy I saw yesterday continues to play that style of football…he’s got an 18 month shelf life if the “Old RGIII” keeps coming out…Skins need Robert to show up and play the position as the offense calls for it…the other 2 guys can run it pretty okay…Robert threw mostly 5 yard passes of screens and check downs..That is not Gruden’s offense…So this reference to flashes of the old RGIII is NOT a good thing for the Skins at the QB position…

    • murphsman - Dec 16, 2014 at 7:24 AM

      You build your offense around your QB, not the other way around. And do you know something we don’t, that you know what is and isn’t Gruden’s offense?

      • fwhalstead1 - Dec 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM

        Actually I do know what Grudens offense is…it’s a modified version of the west coast offense that relies on precision routes, accurate drop backs by the QB, and throwing the ball to where the reciever is going to BE, not waiting on him to get there…RG3 is done!!! Robert Griffin better learn how to play QB or his 1 read, take off running is going to get his ass killed. Hopefully I provided some insight into Grudens offense….it’s the 1 Colt and Kirk run…Robert can’t run it because he doesn’t know it.

        • fwhalstead1 - Dec 16, 2014 at 6:53 PM

          And say what you will about whether it was proper to expose Robert’s flaws to the media (for the record I don’t believe it was) there is absolutely no doubt amongst anyone who is knowledgeable about coaching football that everything Gruden said was 100 percent true! Bill Parcells did it regularly and it earned him tons of respect in the locker room….p.s. The All22 film doesn’t lie…I’ve seen every bit of it in the games Robert has played in. See if you can get it and honestly critique it for yourself…if you can’t go to WTEM 980 and listen to Chris Cooley break down Robert’s play…and for a final piece take a listen to Carl Banks masterful breakdown of Robert from a players point of view…defending Robert as a person is noble, defending his play on the field is stupidity. Archives

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