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McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’

Dec 9, 2014, 10:00 AM EDT


Colt McCoy was not effective at quarterback against the Rams on Sunday. He completed 20 of 32 passes for 199 yards with two interceptions. That comes to a passer rating of 54.

The Redskins got nothing going on offense; they took just one snap in the red zone and got shut out for the first time since the John Beck-led Washington team lost to the Bills 23-0 in 2011.

So what did Jay Gruden have to say about McCoy’s performance after looking at the film?

“Well, he was put in some tough situations,” said Gruden during his Monday news conference. “We continue to punish ourselves with holding calls, false starts, mis-targeting a run, poor technique from time to time and we leave ourselves in third down and too long, and we are not very good on third down obviously. And then in the second half when it became a one-dimensional game, we’re not good enough to overcome those right now at this time. So, unfortunate, it wasn’t all on Colt. Obviously he had some issues with protection. Our backs missed a few, our line missed one or two and it was a tough day for the quarterback.”

Read through that again and see if you can find anything that actually places any responsibility on McCoy for his performance. Maybe the part about “poor technique from time to time”. Perhaps when he said “we are not very good on third down” he put some of the fault on the quarterback. But overall, McCoy got kid gloves treatment by the coach here.

Let’s go back a few weeks to the day after the Redskins’ 27-7 loss to the Bucs in Week 11. Robert Griffin III was not effective in that game with a stat line very similar to the one that McCoy put up against the Rams. Griffin completed 23 of 32 for 207 yards with two interceptions and one touchdown pass.

Here is what Gruden had to say about Griffin’s performance during that game during his day-after press conference:

“Just from Robert’s perspective – you take everybody else out of the picture – Robert had some fundamental flaws,” said Gruden. “He did. His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three on a couple of occasions. That can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up, stepped into pressure, he read the wrong side of the field a couple of times. So, from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from that quarterback position.”

To sum it up, McCoy has a bad game and it’s because “he was put in some tough situations”. Griffin stinks up FedEx Field and he “had some fundamental flaws.” You be the judge.

Fairness dictates that I point out that two days after taking down Griffin, Gruden did say that it was a mistake to do it so perhaps he is taking a kinder, gentler approach with his quarterbacks in public. But to essentially hold McCoy blameless in a shutout while holding Griffin to a much higher standard doesn’t seem to be equitable.

Also in the interest of fairness I need to pass along this quote from McCoy speaking in the locker room on Monday.

“We’re obviously very disappointed,” he told a group of reporters. “We just have to go back to work and figure out the things we can do better, things we can improve. We need get our run game going. Our protection failed a lot yesterday. And I certainly have to play better, too.”

The emphasis is added.

I think you can imagine that there would be quite an uproar if No. 10 had said the same thing, even with the immediate addition that he needed to play better, too.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with either quarterback talking about protection. Both quarterbacks have been at fault for some of the 29 sacks they have taken over the last five games. But the line, backs and tight ends have been awful in protection in recent weeks.

But if one quarterback is going to get called out for throwing his teammates under the bus, shouldn’t the other one get the same treatment for doing the same thing?

128 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. mauriceatwood - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Just more indication to me that Gruden is more of the problem than RG3. Gruden made the change and it is not working. He is where the responsibility lies. He changed the offensive scheme knowing RG3 wasn’t the type of quarterback needed for the type of offense he runs. Gruden needs to go unless he changes the offensive game plan to suit the play of RG3. Otherwise, another coaching change is going to be needed. Getting rid of RG3 would set the organization back another 3-5 years. The right coach could come in and win right away, because the talent is there, but this coaching staff isn’t getting the job done on either side of the ball.

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:22 AM

      RG3 has had his fair chance, if he stays he should have to win the job outright during competition at training camp. And RG3 has already set the Redskins back 3 – 5 years just by costing as much as he did and not winning.

      • thegame2830 - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:49 AM

        “…and not winning”?? Really? Two questions..1. Who was the guy that got the skins there first division title and first home playoff game in over a decade and pretty close two decades respectively?..2. Who the guy who won rookie of year in 2012 and had the GREATEST rookie season in the history of the NFL? You can’t count his 2nd year cuz he was still dealing with the knee..this year he’s not even a year removed from that injury…Brady and the same problem a year after he came back from a torn ACL.

      • brucefan1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM

        Are you saying tha tit’s RG3 who is responsible for “not winning”….or is it more that he’s a victim of circumstances – just another faulty cog on a malfunctioning wheel in a broken machine, who, as the high-cost QB “savior”, gets all the scorn thrown down on him…deserved or not? (Whoa, is that all ONE sentence?!)

        If the second hypothesis is the case, then that I can agree with.

        Otherwise to mainly blame Griffin for the setback is ludicrous, unless one has a bias against him. If so (and I’m not saying you are), than that attack would have to be taken with a TON of salt. How do you explain the earlier debacles under Cousins and the recent struggles by McCoy then?

        And as far as NOT WINNING goes, it wasn’t even TWO YEARS AGO, that this team WAS winning with Griffin, and that he was a main cog in that success, and he was a player the whole NFL (at least the non-Redskin-hating portion of it) hailed as the player of the future! But then it wasn’t JUST him behind that success then – as it isn’t him now.

        Shows you what going from being a winning team to a losing team will do! LOL

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:13 PM

          Let us get one thing straight I am a black guy so I am not bias towards rg3 in any way. I think he has definitely been a victim of circumstance i.e injuries, coaching, snyder debacle, etc. He has in no way been healthy mentally or physically.. He in no way has had a strong offensive line, the team at a whole stinks, etc.
          In no way do I think the failures of rg3 are totally on him.. I do think that for whatever reason rg3’s mechanics as a quarterback have diminished as pointed out by his coach… I blame rg3 for not progressing and actually regressing when it comes to reading defenses and footwork (football stuff like that). Things like that you want to see progress and consistency in like Gruden said.. Common sense says with practice the better he would get at stuff like that right? So as far as his mechanics are concerned I completely blame rg3 for that and it has contributed to losing games. Still love rg3, hes a cool guy, a great person and I hope he does well in the nfl whether with the skins or not in the future.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM

          But he has to take his chances. Right now this very expensive, very demanding “star” player can be replaced with either Cousins or McCoy and it`s not a downgrade. Hardly what was expected of him I`d say. The only QB who has shown any ability to win games this year is McCoy, as bad as he and the team did against St Louis. Robert was if anything better last year with a knee brace on than he`s been this year. He was bad against Houston, OK against Minnesota, poor against Tampa and ineffective against San Francisco. Nothing to get excited about in either of these games, although the Minnesota game came close to being good, and would have been without the ridiculous pick and the OOB throw at the end. At least the offense was moving in that game and came close to a win.
          Maybe he just needs more time or maybe it`s just impossible to get a win out of this team now for either QB. There`s a difference between finding a win when you`re 3-6 and still have a shot and finding one after the season is a wash like it is now though. It was the same last year when Cousins came in. Nobody made any serious effort and it was basically just a string of pointless practice games, just like the next three will be.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:39 PM

          Griffin’s QB rating against Hiuston was 95. Houston allows below 90 for the season. Against Minnesota, he had a 90 rating against a defense that allows 91. These are more than competent starts by Griffin.

          Plus the positive effect that he has on the run offense is well-documented. You can get away with a subpar game by Griffin; if McCoy or Cousins fail to play like stars then the entire offense hits a brick wall.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 5:15 PM

          You have to stop looking back to 2012 and pretending that Griffin is that same player, because he`s just not. The reason his passer ratings are almost decent vs Houston and Tampa is that he takes sacks when he doesn`t have to because he refuses to risk throwing interceptions. He has even said as much. Sacks are obviously better than interceptions and if you can`t get rid of the ball sensibly then sure, knock yourself out. The thing is he`s going too far and is missing open receivers because he`s trying to play too safely (Protecting his personal stats at the expense of the team really.), as well as running into pressure and moving poorly in the pocket. On top of everything else his passing accuracy has not been all that good lately, which leaves him with precisely zero options on offense; can`t run anymore, can`t read the coverage, can`t work the pocket, can`t see receivers and has a hard time hitting them with passes when he does.
          It`s just a giant mess all round right now. Hopefully something sensible will take place this offseason, on all fronts basically. And it`s certainly not all a QB issue. It`s just that if you go by the official NFL numbers the Redskins O-line protection is actually average, not horrible. In fact, the Patriots pocket last SHORTER than the Redskins pocket does on average, meaning that Brady has less time to throw the ball than the QB trio in Washington. But he gets the ball out anyway and makes his O-line look good when it really isn`t.

          That`s the problem as I see it. The O-line is not solid enough for the QBs available and/or the available QBs are too slow for the O-line. You can attempt to solve that by making changes in either place I think. And to make matters worse, the blocking from the backs and TEs has been quite suspicious this season. You can`t blame either the O-line or the QB if Alfred and Roy let people run rings around them from the side rush on passing plays. And that has been happening constantly for the last two games now.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM

          Skulb, see my reply at the bottom of the page.

  2. mauriceatwood - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    These players are not inspired to play for this coaching staff. Pure and simple bottom line of all bottom lines.

  3. goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    RG3 gets more heat cause he is the “franchise quarterback” and is supposed to perform at a top level every game. Colt is a 3rd string guy on a 1 year contract, how much bad can you say about the guy. Colt did not cost 6 draft picks like RG3 did. RG3 deserves more critcism, especially when you accept presents from people, make “all in commercials” and walk around with a RG-Me type attitude. And let us not forget that RG3 also called out the coaches in his little rant to the media… Remember? I can not remember a player calling out the coaches, that is crossing the line.. Anyways, we will see what RG3 can do on Sunday, but I am not expecting much different..

    • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:31 AM

      Oh, please. Athletes make commercials and get endorsement deals, GET OVER IT. Even the darling Andrew Luck was in a Visa commercial. How many Super Bowls has he won?

      Stop moving the goalposts and creating double-standards. Either you call out all the QBs who use “we” and “us” instead of “I”, or none at all. It shouldn’t matter whether the QB is the 1st pick or a 6th rounder, he shouldn’t say things like “I also need my teammates to win” in a team sport because then the “feelings” of these violent, testosterone-filled men will apparently get hurt…

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:08 AM

        I get your drift, and agree that there should not be double standards. Let me rephrase, Colt McCoy should not have said that either and deserves to get blasted for it… The reason he is not getting blasted for it s because he is not a star, nobody cares what Colt McCoy says. He is small potatoes, however, RG3 is a media and publicity Yukon gold potato gold mine so what he says is taken in a much larger context.. Coly McCoy pulls little weight on the team as RG3 is the main dude… Of course people will criticize the main dude more… Now I ill admit the RG3 drama gets way over blown, but that is the consequence of losing every year, so until they start winning get ready for more drama!! woo hoo!

    • pookiebear - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:42 AM

      It’s not rg3s fault he cost 6 draft picks

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:10 AM

        hehe never thought of it that way….. his play is his fault though. lol

    • brucefan1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:43 PM

      When have YOU ever seen Griffin walk around with an” RG-Me” attitude…really? When have YOU ever heard ONE player say that he does so? Who are they? How many? Name a NAME. ONE name. Didn’t think so. Just some anonymous, unsubstantiated rumors & innuendos.

      But rumor & innuendo certainly fill the bill for people with agendas, or have papers to sell and “clicks” to count.

      I have, though, heard many teammates- present and past – who HAVE publicly stated that they like Griffin, call him a good teammate and a good guy, and proclaim they support him, and feel for him during these tough times. None of these players HAD to say any of these things;they could have said “no comment”. (Google the topic to find some examples if you doubt me.)These are ALL I have to go on that I can verify and substantiate. The rest have to remain dubious to me until I CAN do so.

      But then, stupid me, I don’t have a personal hatred for Griffin – or his commercial success, don’t irrationally blame him for this team’s failures, and don’t believe that he will NEVER be an effective NFL quarterback again. It’s WAY too early for that, imho.

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        What are you talking about dude? Did not RG3 himself go into a press conference and say things like “I need the coaches to play better” “I need the players around me to play better” “QB’s dont preform well when the other players arent playing well”

        He barely took any responsibility for his mistakes and put it all on the coaches and other players. That is why some people believed he “:threw people under the bus” The real pro’s say things like “I have to play better” “I need to do a better job at ….” He is all about himself and that is why you will see the nickname rgme floating around out there.

        • Rich Tandler - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:38 PM

          If you look at the transcript of the presser, which I posted on this site, you’ll see that he took a ton of blame for what happened in that game. He said he played poorly several times.

          I get that he should not have said the Manning-Rodgers thing and that’s what got all of the press. But to say “he barely took any responsibility for his mistakes” is simply and demonstrably not true.

          > >

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:38 PM

          Why shouldn’t he have said that, Rick? It’s only 100% true.

          I just think that his comment was WAY less of an issue than others I’ve heard. Manning can get a “Ha Ha, Peyton being Peyton!” after he throws the team scoreboard operator of all people under the bus in a presser, Brady can get a “Ha ha, Brady being Brady!” after cursing up a storm and then saying something like “blame the networks for airing it”, but Griffin should shut up, blame only himself, and be the team doormat? And no, the Super Bowl rings excuse is a cop-out.

    • dsgb - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:11 PM

      But he said specifically “it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from that quarterback position.” That is the indicator of what is expected from any one playing qb

  4. Scottlo91 - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    I don’t think the Skins gave up three first round picks and a second rounder for McCoy. I don’t see McCoy endlessly pitching products on television. I never see or hear about McCoy on social media day in and day out. It wasn’t McCoy who was the only player who had the privilege of letting his wife and family members attend practice. Let’s call it what it is and that is Gruden doesn’t subscribe to the RG3 hype and something has to give in the offseason. It’s Gruden or Robert, bottom line and in my opinion, I just don’t see Robert going anywhere. Whether it is right or wrong, who cares. I just want to win games. My gut tells me it’s either going to be Harbaugh or Art Briles coming in, and chances are good with no GM in place and so the wheels on the bus go round and round

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:25 AM

      Amen brother. RG3 in his 2nd year gets Shanny fired, and now in Gruden’s 1st year he is about to get fired.. What is the common denominator here! I am sure coaches will be lining up for the Redskins job.

    • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:46 AM

      Ah, so the true motives of the RG3 naysayers are revealed. You had me going there, thinking that it’s about holding ALL QBs accountable for their own performances. But the noise is merely petty jealousy over a couple sandwich commercials and stupid anger over a couple of draft picks (when then Redskins have shown zero ability to draft wisely and put together Super Bowl contender teams before Griffin).

      Thanks for clarifying, guys!

      • hazsucks - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:49 AM


      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:15 AM

        The true motives are that RG3 has not played well.. Bottom Line… If he was a winner we would not be talking about any of this… It all comes back this play on the field, poor.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:40 AM

          Well, Mr. Tandler’s point is that this standard needs to be applied to everyone, then. Because Griffin played all of what, four snaps on Sunday? McCoy was more atrocious than Griffin was in the Bucs game, then he had the presser in which he seemed to “blame” other players; but I don’t hear any washed-up HoF QBs talk about his fundamentals or selfishness, do you?

      • dsgb - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:24 PM

        Exactly. I can see if we had this to tier talent scout and we could develop players but we don’t

      • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:26 PM

        But McCoy is not the franchise QB. And he was right: the protection was terrible and chances are none of the other QBs could have made it work behind it either. RGIII missed or failed to see open receivers all day long against Tampa and then he went into a PC talking about how everyone needed to play and coach better.
        Personally I don`t think Griffin`s statements were a big deal at the time, but I understood Gruden`s reaction to them considering just how poor Griffin had been himself in that game. Against St Louis, nobody played well except Kerrigan. Against Tampa the WRs and TEs got separation on most of the snaps, the blocking was alright and Alf got some running game established and the game should have been a win. And it would have been a win with decent QB play. Nobody could have made the Redskins win against the Rams, they were that bad.
        Another difference is that the season is now over which it was not (Quite) when Griffin made his rather unwise press statements. Comparing games that count with games that do not is pointless. The season is over and the only conversation we need to be having right now is who stays and who goes before next year.

        • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:43 PM

          I’m so sick of this tireless meaningless complaining. It’s not even based on reality at this point. Our record is 3-10. Not RG3. The Washington Redskins. As a team we are not winning games, it is literally impossible for a single player to win just off their production alone. He’s completed 4 games and we have lost. But he did not play/finish in 9 others and we only one 3. We were gonna beat the Jags and the Titans because the state of their football teams are worse than ours. It took a complete game for us to beat Dallas without Tony Romo for most of the game with Demarco Murray having one of his worst games.

          I’ll put it simply. On a normal team mossy of the issues that are focused on with him would be minimal issues, but with a huge market like this everything losses proportion. We have up 478 points (29.9 pts/gm) and most teams will not win with that production.

        • Skulb - Dec 10, 2014 at 5:57 AM

          Not complaining. Pointing reality out to someone with rosy shades on. Any claims that RGIII is not part of this problem and that he has not been dreadful will be treated the same. His stats are by far the worst of any starting QB in the NFL, and that is a fact.
          You wanna talk about facts or do you wanna talk about your personal delusions?

    • Rich Tandler - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM

      IF McCoy is being put out on the field ahead of a healthy Griffin, there is every reason in the world to hold them both to the same standard both on the field and in their postgame comments. Gruden, players all say that once you put the uniform on, you’re the same as everyone else no matter what your draft status or contract.

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:20 AM

        I do not think anyone cares what McCoy says cause he is small potatoes. He will probably be gone next year or 2nd or 3rd string (not playing) so no one really cares about what he says cause he is not in the conversation as being the Redskins franchise qb. RG3 is more fun to pick on because he is a star! Lots of people know who RG3 is, but not many people know who Colt McCoy is.. That is why TMZ picks up RG3 stories because he is so well known.. And for this reason alone he will always be held to a higher standard than any other the Colt McCoys out there.

    • brucefan1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:00 PM

      No…it very well could be Gruden AND Griffin together next year!

      Griffin is under contract and can’t walk until after NEXT season (which he very well may do, no matter if he’s improved next season or not!). And the Redskin front office does not seem to feel that he should be exiled prematurely – especially for little or nothing.

      And Gruden has not earned enough drag (especially after THIS clusterfudge of a season) to demand that ANYBODY be removed from his roster, particularly not a high-cost QB that has proved himself to be no worse than the ones Gruden would keep.

      If Gruden decides he can’t live with that caveat by the front office, then the next would be HIS..not the Redskins.

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        I think they have to decide on the year 6 option by May. If that is the case it will press the issue when resigning him, trading him, etc.. I think he will be here, I always have, in fact I think they will resign him for a few years.

  5. hazsucks - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Griffin is overly scrutinized by the media. Period. It is ridiculous and causes turmoil where there should be none. It is unfair to him and to the Redskins organization.

    He also stunk it up in nearly every game he has played for a long time. Not even close to NFL level play. He continues to hold the ball for too long and take sack after sack because I believe he is terrified to throw interceptions or have a lower completion percentage.

    But the line play is horrible, and the tight ends and backs still can’t pick up a blitzer or a free lineman to save their life.

    And, really, nobody is hanging a huge headline on something Colt McCoy says. It isn’t sexy and doesn’t generate clicks on the Internet.

    This team has lost a lot of games because the defense is historically bad and has been for a long time. They cannot, and have been unable to, get teams off the field on third down, particularly when the game was on the line.

    They have also lost a bunch of games because the special teams were historically bad after Danny Smith left and it continues to give up momentum and easy points frequently.

    They have lost a bunch of games because they can’t get drives to sustain and give up sacks at the worst possible times. The protection always seems terrible and the receivers never seem to be open or seen by whomever is playing QB at that time. And Griffin has been the worst of that lot, at least this season.

    But mostly, they have lost a bunch of games because there is no urgency to win. You can see them lollygag around the field and refuse to step it up when the momentum isn’t falling in their favor. They rely on the other team to self destruct to win. and the minute it gets hard, you can see the tackling get weak, the pursuit slow down, the DBs and safeties stand there and watch the receivers catch the ball before trying to make an arm tackle.

    Winning is not a priority in Redskin park anymore. They won’t win until someone actually cares about winning.

    • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:53 AM

      This is a sensible post. The only thing I’ll add is that Griffin was “NFL level” in the Houston and Minnesota games. The former in which the Skins had two turnovers in the red zone, a blocked extra point, and a blocked punt for a TD; and the latter in which the offense scored 26 points but the defense allowed an otherwise inept Vikings offense to score 30.

    • skinsgame - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:47 PM

      The special teams were not very good when Danny Smith was coaching. They’ve been bad in that area for longer than Snyder has owned the team,

      • hazsucks - Dec 10, 2014 at 8:37 AM

        I said “historically bad”. Danny Smith’s work was very average bad. Come to think of it, in terms of actual results, Haslett’s work is close to being historically bad, too.

  6. Beverly Allen - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Mr. Tandler, I think that the madness is perpetuated when the comparisons of how the coach responds to Griffin as opposed to McCoy continue to be a focus…weeks later. That topic has been addressed ad nauseum. Bottom line, McCoy was really bad on Sunday. I am more interested in your normally insightful analyses about the actual play rather than “when Robert said this the coach said that” and vice versa…

    • alextwrs - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      Well said Beverly. The drama gets old. Maybe we talk about how our two 3rd round linemen (Lariebus & Long)cant get on the field even when the line looks like swiss cheese!

      • brucefan1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:15 PM

        We are all free to skip over any article that doesn’t seem as if it would interest us – including the both of you, Beverly & Alex.

        That does NOT mean that those of us who feel that Rich’s take on a topic IS important and germane should be deprived of being able doing so.

        We READ it – you SKIP it. GET it?

        Sorry if this offends you, but your attempts at censoring topics that “irritate” YOU is not appreciated.

        • alextwrs - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:33 PM

          Sorry I brought up a relevant topic. Made sense to a sensible person. He said, she said doesnt win games. READ that!

        • alextwrs - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM

          Slow down Bruce Banner nobody censored anything or said we were irritated. Turn green on your own blog.

  7. Scottlo91 - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    I’m just curious, since Robert is a shell of his former fast running RO self, and he can’t be a pocket passer, just what offense is he exactly going to run anyway?? Maybe we can get a really innovative offensive mind in here that will put Robert on a scooter and the only play we run is everyone go deep

    • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:23 PM

      People kill with this nfl level stuff. Stats are relative. Colt had two 392 3/0 and it didn’t matter because we were never a threat to win. Defenses don’t care about yards given up. It’s about points. And it doesn’t matter who scored the points because they count the same. Andrew Luck won and he played terrible at times. Many would say doesn’t matter because he won. Wrong. The team won. The defense didn’t let the game go and the offense finished the game.

  8. dcwun - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    So, some of you think that because RGIII has endorsements that his on field performance should be judged differently than McCoy’s? Get outta here with that crap. Kudos to Rich for bringing up the fact that if RGIII says we had protection issues he’d get killed, but Colt can say it?

    And please stop saying RGIII got Shanny fired. My Way Mike was awful and gad horrible drafts overall. His ONLY success during his run with the Skins came with RGIII. Mr. “I’ll stake my reputation on John Beck” did nothing.

    RGIII has a lot of work to do but there shouldn’t be double standards for on field performance.

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM

      OK, so RG3 has one of the worst seasons this year out of any QB in the league and then he keeps popping up commercial after commercial and you think nobody is going to say anything about that?? Would Manning be making pizza commercials if he was a loser, I think not… Usually the superstars are the ones that make commercials and RG3 has not been a superstar since 2012.. So it is a little strange when you keep seeing him in all the commercials saying things like, “to make it in this league you have to stay fit.” No Rob, to make it in this league you have to throw the ball down the field to your receivers.

      • dcwun - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:41 AM

        So he gets the hate because of endorsement deals signed when he was a rookie? When he was having success? Still doesn’t make sense. On field performance is the only thing that matters. He hasn’t lived up to expectations but neither has the others that’s gotten the opportunity. Sack numbers haven’t changed. Still missing folks open down field.

        The best comment I’ve heard in a while is from Chip Kelly. He said I really don’t have a system. Tell me who my QB is and I’ll tell you what system I’ll run.

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:50 AM

          Basically, the Redskins have hired the wrong coach. Gruden wants a pocket guy and RG3 is not that. Gruden was supposed to work his QB magic on RG3 and the exact opposite of that happened.
          A Chip Kelly type of coach would be great for RG3 but no we run out and pick up Jay Gruden? The decision making process is one of utter stupidity when it comes to the Redskins front office. If RG3 was going to be our guy why not get a college type coach more familiar with what RG3 did well with the spread offense.. Now things are a complete and total disaster, and we spend our time bickering about is endorsement deals and what someone said to the media, instead of focusing on how to make the team better.

      • thegame2830 - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM

        First, he’s not having the worst season of any QB in the league..i.e. Kapernick, Geno Smith, Eli, Cam…second, I don’t know what commercial your talking about but here in MD the only commercial they show of him is the subway commercial which was made when he was a rookie.

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM

          I said he is having “one of the worst” seasons out of any QB in the league. Key word “one” And yes he is in the bottom 5 of worst QBR’s this season..

          I am in NC and they play newer commercials with RG3 in them. I do not think we all get the same commercials. Either way I am not hating on RG3 for making commercials, I am all about making $$$.
          If RG3 makes money doing commercials more power to him.
          All I was trying to say is it is weird when a QB that is sitting on the bench keeps popping up in commercials.

      • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:45 AM

        So only superstars should make commercials? What do you think of Cam Newton then? I watched Beats by Dre and Gatorade commercials with Newton and you don’t hear a peep. How has he and the Panthers been doing this season?

        And who qualifies as a “superstar”, anyway? People always seem to attach some sense of winning to “superstardom”, but then you have players like Luck participating in commercials with Firzgerald, Brees, and Keapernick, all of whom have played in a Super Bowl. I like the irony.

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:52 AM

          It a fine line between superstar and not but let me say when is the last time you saw Rex Grossman in a commercial

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:44 PM

          I haven’t. But Rex never won a Heisman and RoY while leading his team to a division title and playing like one of the league’s best players, either.

  9. thegame2830 - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    I applaud you Mr. Tandler..I give you a standing ovation on this article. The fact that FINALLY a redskins reporter who reports that Robert might not be getting treated fairly. All we hear is “Griffin can’t read defense”..”Griffin can’t be coached”..”another coaching staff will get fired because of Griffin”..I would go on but I want to keep this short. You are absolutely have that “..the protection failed” from Griffin and it’s the leading story on ESPN and csnwashington as Griffin throwing his teammates under the bus yet again.

  10. kenlinkins - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Rich brings up a good point about the double standard used by Coach Gruden in the McCoy vs. RG3 poor performance debate, but I wonder what has caused the double standard? Is coach Gruden trying to up set the GM, Owner and RG3 or does he believe that Colt McCoy was not as much at fault for his last game vs. RG3 last game? Or is he trying to ensure he gets to hand pick his QB vs. the desires of management. There seems to be a missing part of this puzzle. We as fans just do not know what is said behind closed doors until much later (i.e. Mr. Fletcher telling us about Haslett’s calls and him changing them a year later). Something is playing out here at Redskins Park, and none of use really have the info to state 100% that we know what it is, but what is clear is that the last time we saw a coach bucking the GM and owner over the QB, the coach lost. Anyone want to bet on who is not going to be here next year? (Coach is 5 to 1 to stay, GM is 3 to 1 to stay, QB is 1 to 1 to stay, and all three going bye bye is 10 to 1).

    • rtcwon - Dec 10, 2014 at 4:10 AM

      Let me save you some time looking for missing puzzle pieces. Colt is a journey man trying to catch lightning in a bottle, he needs all the confidence he can get. Gruden said coddling RG3 is not serving the purpose and he needs straight talk.
      Stop reading between lines or putting any weight to the done with RG3 rumors.

  11. alextwrs - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    Lets face it, we got the WRONG Gruden!

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:20 PM

      Agreed! I remember the day after Jay Gruden got hired it was bleak. There was no excitement from the fans, we all knew that Jay was a mediocre pick up! In fact I am done with Jay, he is too much of a noob. He talks like he is a 20 year vet but in reality lacks experience and it shows in his press conferences.

      • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:31 PM

        He’s coached for over 20 years guy. He’s got some room to grow, but pretty much he seems to be who he’s going to be as coach.

  12. goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    So if this standard is supposed to be for everyone than why when Desean Jacskson said “you can not do epic shit with basic people” did no one say anything.. When Garcon said last year “our passing game sucks” no one said anything…

    Certain players will always get the benefit of the doubt and that is just how it is.. .Life is not fair and that includes the level of criticism towards certain players. The only way to ever silents the critics is to win or to preform and that is simply something the Redskins have not been doing.

    • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:10 PM

      Except the media can control what they write. Such as Mr. Tandler.

  13. juicecowboy - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Is everyone smoking crack? I love this article. RGIII is so much more gifted than Colt McCoy. Colt is a good backup at best in this league. Anyone remember his struggles throwing to D-Jax?

    RGIII had MAJOR knee surgery then dislocated his ankle. The ONLY knock on him is durability. He’s proven his accuracy, his intelligence is off the charts. Not many people would give up what we did for him but there are plenty that would have gone a bit more shallow (2 draft picks?) if they were in the ‘Skins’ situation with a shot at him in 2012.

    What the HELL has Gruden proved in the NFL? At least RGIII proved he can not only play but when he’s in the right situation he can carry the team.

    I would give up Gruden’s contract money before giving up on RGIIIs draft pick cost in a heart beat. All this talk about giving up on RGIII is media generated non-sense. Just like its noted here – why kick the s*** out of Robert after Tampa and give McCoy a pass here. McCoy never won Rookie of the Year! McCoy didn’t lead his team, almost single handedly, to the playoffs.

    If this team chooses McCoy over RGIII then we are truly the lost organization that everyone says. McCoy is NOT AN NFL STARTER people. Even if RGIII gets back to 80% of where he was he’ll be twice the QB Colt is.

    What the hell?!?!

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:28 PM

      I never thought in a million years Colt McCoy was the answer! Even after he won that Dallas game I still knew he would not be in the future plans of the Skins. McCoy is a solid back up and so is Kirk Cousins.. RG3 is a starter that is struggling, he is in a totally different league… I agree that Rg3 definitely has the most potential to be great than any other qb on the roster.. However, for whatever reason he is not getting it done on the field and that is simply why he is sitting right now.. He will be back, he will be great, it is just not at the moment.

      • joelvincent - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:12 PM

        I would just HATE to see the media-driven “bust” talk allow this transcendent physical talent walk out the door. I would understand if I could see his physical gifts but then he is dumb as a bag of rocks and can’t process all the things that an NFL QB has to process, but this kid is mentally gifted too.

        I’m not saying I understand whats going on in his head but I believe with this kid, more than other QB busts that were hyped up, its a mental hurdle. This game is not too big for him. He’s not from an upbringing that you’d expect the glitz, glamour, success would turn him into a punk. I don’t know what it is but for God’s sake, after watching this team for decades they can’t give up on him too quickly.

        • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:38 PM

          His hurdles are huge right now. Fortunately, he can get through them, but he needs to win for his confidence sake. That would help a lot.

  14. alextwrs - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Develop Kirk Cousins for christ sakes!

    • gasngo14 - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:11 PM

      well that just may be the final answer, what a circus show this owner puts on!

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:14 PM


  15. darrynhyman - Dec 9, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    I am not a fan of RGIII, never have been, even in 2012 because I saw the holes in his game that gave me doubts about his long term success. With that said, the constant scrutiny that this young man must repeatedly endure is unfortunate. Has he made some mistakes with comments and certain actions, sure, but does that warrant all of the negativity, no. It is a double standard, not just with Gruden here with this article, but across the league. Certain QB’s would not get the same bashing in a similar situation, and some of their offenses are far worse. It is sad, but hopefully this young man will stay strong and keep fighting. I don’t think he will ever be a great QB year in and year out, but my hope is that he continues to chase his dream and give his best.

    • fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 3:59 PM

      ALL IN FOR WEEK 1 – Coach killer – social media king – had the same OTA’s, training camp, and pre season the other QB’s had yet they know the offense and can read defenses, Robert can’t. He’s been highly scrutinized by Chris Cooley who LOVES Robert…go to WTEM and listen to some of the archives of the breakdown of Robert’s play by Chris…listen to what Trent Dilfer has had to say….listen to what one of his teammates has just said to TMZ…yeah that’s right…TMZ!!! It is unbelievable how loyal some folks remain to a guy who has washed out – face it – his legs are gone and he doesn’t know what to do…his Oline is the same oline he had in 2012…the only thing that has changed is his play and the oline is being exposed because of it… I don’t feel sorry for Robert at all because he brought all of this on himself and his hype man Dan Snyder helped contribute to it….and for the record RG3 is DEAD!!! We’re left with Robert and he sucks just as much if not more than the other 2 QB’s on this roster but they are supposed to suck…Robert coast a whole lot and his skill set is no longer what they drafted….he’s a BUST and it’s time to move on….So sir you are correct in your assessment and I applaud you for your keen observation…he has holes in his game, his personality, and his off the field activities IMO…

    • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:49 PM

      RGIII`s most swooning fan, Skip Bayliss, called him a “spoiled brat” recently and said that he had been ruined as a QB by management coddling for the last two seasons. He also said repeatedly that he “could not recognize Robert anymore” and that he was worried that Robert might be done in the NFL because of his horrible play. On the other side, Stephen A Smith said that he “did not believe in the Redskins” and that RGIII is “done in Washington”. It`s not just Redskins fans and not just Jay Gruden who is frustrated with him. And it doesn`t come from nowhere either.
      Right now I think it makes a lot more sense to compare him to Geno Smith than a good franchise QB like Manning, Brady or Rogers. Even if he manages to find his form at some point I`ll be happy if he becomes the new Michael Vick, who is playing much better at 34 than Griffin has played this season, despite all the ridicule he gets in New York. Banged up as he is, Vick runs much better now than RGIII does. And running was supposed to be his strong point remember?

      It`s just not good. And the time to coast along on the good results from the rookie season is over. A rookie season which saw him wreck his knee because he was unable to slide, run off the field or pass the ball if his first read wasn`t there. And because Shanahan let him play for so much as a snap after he strained the knee in the Ravens game. He should have been inactive for the last four games he played that season and it was insanity to play him at all vs Seattle, when he was unable to walk, much less run.

  16. goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Look RG3 is the best QB the Redskins have had in 20 years hands down. He just is not getting it done right now but the potential is there… I am not sure what he needs, it may just be a “reboot of his career” like Gruden was talking about.. Get him fixed up in the off season, be ready to roll in 2015..

    • realfan82 - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:32 PM

      I personally don’t think he wants to play for the redskins anymore. It’s something personal going on here and on the back end that no amount of reports can find. I don’t see how a guy that good plays like he’s just forgot about football. I think fans have gotten to him, I think co-workers have gotten to him and I think the media has gotten to him.

  17. goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 2:21 PM

    There is now a bunch of teams at 2 and 11. If some of those teams can pick up some wins and this thing plays out right, the Redskins might have a pick in the top 3. If that is the case, should we let Jameis Winston or Marcus if available slip by? Is Marcus just another Rg3? Take a Safety first, would you really take a safety if Jameis was still sitting there?

  18. deadmunnie - Dec 9, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    I expect this kind of stuff from a self important hack like Jason Reid or Jason La Conquistador but you? Dissapointed to say the least.

    • fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      Agreed! This is far off the mark for Rich and I was surprised when I saw it – so surprised I actually had to read it….

  19. pm38702003 - Dec 9, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    No QB can survive under this kind of pressure. Gruden keeps saying he needs a QB to step up and get the offense going, he needs to take a long look I the mirror. We had two good young QB’s that have regressed under his coaching and now the third QB has literally had his neck broken. The hits that these guys are taking would make Joe Montana forget how to take a 5 step drop and throw 4 ints. This offense cannot be run with the protection as it exists, there is a breakdown every pass play.

  20. fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Robert blows but he is not unlike the rest of the team!!! THEY ALL BLOW!!! This organization is one huge rotten smelling DUMPSTER FIRE!!!! And in no way is Colt’s mechanics being called into question – he’d run circles around Robert as far as understanding the offense, where to go with the ball, how to set your feet, how to read defenses – hell ray Charles could see that. There’s no story here – Jay called Robert out for being what he is – A DAMN BUST, because even when Robert had time to throw the ball behind arguably the WORST OLINE in pro football he panicked and resorted to tucking the ball and running! Now we can debate whether the coach was right to call him out, but there is NO DEBATE that Robert has NO IDEA what he is doing in this offense or what defenses are trying to do to him! He didn’t call Colt out because well Colt hung in as best he could behind the line. Rams gave them NO TIME to throw the ball. Stop calling him RG3 – that guy is DEAD…he died on the FedEx DIRT against Seattle in the playoffs….He’s also a damn drama queen just like the horrid owner of this franchise – Dan Snyder!!!! I’ll be at the Giants game while visiting my sister – have field level seats at the 40 yard line and it looks like I’ll be watching Robert. Needless to say I will not be wearing any Redskins gear – I’m too embarrassed! After 45 years as a fan I am considering changing teams because of the OWNER!!!!! He has destroyed a once proud winning franchise and TRASHED it by trying to buy a team and then trading away 5 years of the future for 1 damn player who now is no longer what they drafted!!!!

  21. Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    One major difference between these situations is that the Tampa defense isn`t particularly good and that Robert had a lot of open receivers in that game which he was unable to see or unable to hit if he did see them. The Rams coverage seemed pretty solid and their rush is obviously better. Other than that I agree, and both games were terrible and complete team failures.
    I still think that Robert is worse at taking opportunities when they present themselves than the other two QBs, whatever the reason is for that. The play vs Tampa when he had five receivers open and ran out of bounds was just awful. At least throw it and take a shot at first down right?

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:13 PM

      Bottom Line, Without RG3’s ability to shoot up the field with his legs, he becomes an average type QB.. It was his explosiveness that set him apart, and it his explosiveness we have not seed in Robert in 2 seasons… A big reason he did so well in 2012 is he put up almost 1000 yards on the ground… Some of those gains on the ground won the game, like the Vikings game… Without his threat to run, defenses just tee up on him… When is he going to take off out of the backfield again?

      • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 PM

        Not sure why you are using yards per game. It’s been long shown that yards per game is a faulty stat, but in this particular case it’s also faulty because Griffin has averaged 20.5 pass attempts per game this season. That’s 10 less per game than the other QBs on the roster. Even when you factor in sacks, he still has had less dropbacks than the others per game.

        Everything else you posted doesn’t make sense. You compare the Redskins QBs using W-L record, which is the dumbest way to compare QBs in team football. You bring up games from last season; when the roster, coaching staff, and competition were all completely different. You compare the QBs using season stats; which I already acknowledged were in favor of Cousins and McCoy, but ALSO reiterated were based on small sample sizes, and thus don’t give an accurate representation of each QB’s quarterbacking prowess, and thus (for starters) make it illogical to definitively assess QB performance in a season. (As an aside, you also decide to use stats such as Y/A and TDs, which are already a part of ANY/A, the stat I used above. You also posted more commentary on completion percentage, even though I left it out of my analysis just for your convenience.)

        And, to top it off, you fail to understand the basic point of Mr. Tandler’s piece. This isn’t about what each QB has done the entire season, anyway, so much of what you’re rambling about is inherently irrelevant. It’s about the head coach’s (and general) reaction to McCoy’s SINGLE GAME PERFORMANCE VS. THE BUCS AND HIS POST-GAME COMMENTS, compared to that of Robert’s vs. the Bucs. When I provide proof that both performances were identical – and that’s just from the QB position, because the entire Redskins offense was more inept vs. the Rams – it makes Tandler’s argument of a double-standard concerning Griffin all the more valid.

    • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:24 PM

      Griffin’s QB rating vs. the Bucs: 73.3
      McCoy’s QB rating vs. the Rams: 54.0

      That’s nearly a TWENTY POINT difference. Even when you factor in the fact the Bucs’ opponent QB rating is about 10 points higher than the Rams’, McCoy’s game was still more abysmal.

      • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:28 PM

        I dont know dude they were both pretty bad. I do not think RG3 even had 100 yards passing in that game.. I think that is the most abysmal stat of them all.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:34 PM

          Yes he did. 167 net passing yards, plus a TD with two picks. McCoy had less net passing yards and no TDs with two picks.

          You’re thinking of the Niners game. And in that game, he played a better pass defense than either the Bucs or Rams.

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:43 PM

          Aww, You right I am thinking of the wrong game.

      • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:36 PM

        Sure, but against a much better defense. I think that at least needs to be factored in here. McCoy had absolutely no chance in that game, while Robert actually did against Tampa if he had just been able to get rid of the ball to all his open receivers.
        The best QB performance for the Redskins was arguably Cousins` vs Jacksonville and Philly, followed by McCoy`s against Tennessee and Dallas. Bob`s best was against Minnesota and it would have been good if it wasn`t for the very unnecessary interception he threw seconds before half time.
        The problem Griffin has is that he is supposed to be the franchise QB and still he keeps playing like he`s never seen a football before. McCoy is a third stringer, hired for one season as a crisis solution. if Bob had even been able to play adequately this season Colt wouldn`t even have dressed and we wouldn`t be having this conversation.

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 4:50 PM

          Brian Mitchell said it right, this team sucks, and has sucked for a long long time… He was right, everyone should boycott buying this crap product the Redskins are putting out.. Something major has to change and from what it looks like we do not have the coaches or the players to get anywhere soon… Tony Kornheiser I thinks has the best idea when he said, “If I were the Redskins GM/owner I would blow everything up and start from scratch, literally get rid of everyone and start from scratch.”
          That is not a bad idea, at this point there may be 10 players total worth building around, the rest, the coaches, all are not worth keeping. You could dump 3/4 of this squad right now without any major consequence.

      • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        All you have to do is add ten points to McCoy’s rating if you want a more fair QB rating comparison. Griffin still comes out comfortably ahead.

        But this chatter about Griffin playing as if he’s “never seen a football before” is greatly exaggerated. His first two starts were good, his second two were not, and, on top of that, he’s only played four starts in all. I already talked about how silly it is to judge a QB after just a few starts. Jay Gruden doesn’t have a clue how to work with his QBs, and he has caused several issues by failing to stick with any of them.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 5:32 PM

          I`m sorry but no. He was poor against Houston and was barely able to move the offense in the red zone at all. They would have won anyway if special teams hadn`t made so many mistakes of course, but it was just not good in any way from Griffin. You can`t use Griffin`s passer rating as an argument either, precisely because he takes sacks instead of attempting what he thinks are risky passes. Which would be fine if he had no choice, but is not fine when he takes sacks instead of passing to open receivers or instead of throwing the ball away.
          Minnesota was the only game he has played this year which was acceptable and even close to his standards. The defense really lost that game but Griffin also threw it away. His interception in the first half of that game was comparable to the worst ones from Cousins, and just an awful and unnecessary throw. And they would probably have won without that blunder, despite the poor defending.
          I have seen four good QB performances from the Redskins this season. Two from Cousins and two from McCoy. I have also seen a couple of average QB performances. One from Griffin and one or two from Cousins. It`s still just not good enough by any reasonable standards for someone like RGII. He is supposed to be great and manages to be decent at best and horrible at worst.

          Griffin is “comfortably ahead” only because he plays cowardly (And cluelessly) to protect his stats while the other two QBs don`t. It doesn`t make him any less trashy this season, although he may fool the NFL stats people and certain selective thinkers in the fan base.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM

          I also read your post above. Would you rather use adjusted net yards per pass attempt then? It incorporates sacks, sack yardage, TDs, and picks; it doesn’t use completion percentage. Let’s also factor in the pass defenses that Griffin and McCoy played.

          Griffin vs. Bucs: 2.6 ANY/A
          McCoy vs. Rams: 1.7 ANY/A

          Bucs vs. other QBs: 7.2 ANY/A allowed
          Rams vs. other QBs: 6.3 ANY/A allowed

          You can give McCoy the 0.9 ANY/A boost since he played a defense that was 0.9 ANY/A allowed better. So playing field is even when you use this stat; Griffin and McCoy had the same performance. However, Griffin helped the run game a lot more than McCoy, which is what you also have to consider.

          Let’s use this analysis for Griffin’s other games:

          vs. Texans: 6.0 ANY/A
          vs. Vikings: 6.1 ANY/A
          vs. Niners: 3.0 ANY/A

          Pass defense:
          Texans: 6.2 ANY/A allowed
          Vikings: 5.9 ANY/A allowed
          Niners: 5.1 ANY/A allowed

          That makes Griffin’s play vs. the Texans and Vikings NFL QB caliber games. He didn’t play well against the Niners. So, like I said above, two good starts and two not-so-good starts. That’s a FAR cry from Griffin being useless at the QB position.

        • fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:54 PM

          Bill is RGIII posing as Bill…lol

        • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:22 PM

          If you really get technically about RG3 and his numbers lets look at one important stat, Win/Loss Record.

          Technically, not counting the playoff game he lost, and not counting the Ravens game in which he was injured and Cousins came in and won the game RG3 is :

          RG3: ( 11 – 20 ) 35% Win Percentage

          Rex Grossman: ( 6 – 10 ) 37% Win Percentage

          Jason Campbell: ( 20 – 32 ) 38% Win Percentage

          Donovan McNabb: ( 5 – 8 ) 38% Win Percentage

          Patrick Ramsey: ( 10 -14 ) 41% Win Percentage

          Gus Frerotte: ( 19 – 26 ) 42% Win Percentage

          Mark Brunnel: ( 15 – 18 ) 45% Win Percentage

          Brad Johnson ( 17 – 10 ) 63% Win Percentage

          Rg3 has the worst winning percentage out of any of the Redskins quarterbacks in the last 2 or 3 decades, possibly the worst win percentage in Redskins history, I did not look back that far.

          And yes I know Win/Loss record does not mean everything, this is a 11 man sport and it takes everyone. But it is an important stat to look at when judging some of the animosity surrounding RG3. If he would just win some more it would be like getting a weight lifted off his shoulders. He needs a WIN bad, has not had one in over a year… Maybe he will get one this Sunday, he better.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:30 PM

          This is some selective stats reading right here and I don`t know how you manage all these mental gymnastics without falling down. These are the Redskins stats this season:
          McCoy and Griffin look more alike there after the atrocious Rams game of course, but one number I think you have to look at carefully is yards pr game, where Robert`s figure is abysmal. Just all time trash there at 127,3, and nowhere close to the other two, quite average, QBs. You`ll also notice that most of Robert`s passes are short which makes him look better than he is. More than a yard shorter per pass and a longest pass of 56 yards to 70 and 81 for Colt and Kirk. His TD pass% is at a comical 1,6%. Even his combined passer rating with all this fudging of stats from the short passing he forces on play callers is 86,2, slightly lower than Captain Turnover himself, Kirk Cousins.
          The only good thing about this is that he beats Garcon on the QB stats list. He has been terrible, all complaints about coaches and protection aside.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM

          And that’s exactly the issue with using W-L record. Griffin (along with the other QBs you named) is not the entire Redskins team. He can’t play defense, he can’t play special teams, and he doesn’t even control everything on offense.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 8:13 PM

          Skulb, you’re being dishonest. Where did I compare Griffin and Cousins/McCoy for their entire respective seasons? All I did was compare Griffin’s game vs. the Bucs to McCoy’s game vs. the Rams, along with break down Griffin’s other individual games. If you want to do a season comparison; no, Griffin hasn’t been as good as the other QBs. He’s also only played four starts this season, which is NOT a good sample size for any QB. (Neither is Cousins’s five starts, or McCoy’s three starts. Also, Griffin’s season numbers are also greatly skewed by his 32 pass attempts in his stinker Bucs game, which is one such reason not to compare season data over just a handful of games.)

          This isn’t mental gymnastics. It’s a fair, objective look at his single game performances this season; and a stats look that supports Tandler’s article, which highlights the blatant double-standard against Griffin. McCoy vs. the Rams, like Griffin vs. the Bucs, was straight-up garbage. But it’s interesting to see how others continue to excuse his crap while they throw Griffin under the bus.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:28 PM

          I`m not excusing it. It was just obvious that Griffin had trouble seeing his receivers in the Tampa and San Francisco games, while the same receivers couldn`t get open most of the time against St Louis, who apparently have a top notch defense right now. Whatever the issue with Washington really is; QB, coaching, blocking, O-line or all of the above, I just fail to see any upside to playing Griffin at all. There is more drama, worse play and no wins either way. And there are annoying pressers for him to ramble and be “funny” in.
          I blame Gruden though. Yanking Cousins was necessary because he was breaking down mentally. But benching Colt after he had managed to get some wins was a terrible decision. Then benching Griffin was a bad idea, even though he shouldn`t have been handed the start in Minnesota in the first place, because he needed a few more games. If for nothing other than to increase the sample size of trash. Replacing Colt unless he`s injured will now be mistake number three in like a month and a half at the QB spot.

          Whatever the case, Robert has one win in the last 13 months in ten starts. Colt has two wins in three starts in the last two months. And that`s the issue for me. Robert finished out on a five game losing streak last year and was horrendous, and he has followed that up by showing next to nothing this season, with no wins or anything looking much like it was going to be a win. Even Cousins came close to winning in the his first two starts after Shanny benched RGIII for being terrible last year, and the Redskins looked much better just as soon as Robert was off the team. Remember this game:|contentId%3A0ap2000000295126&tab=recap, in which Robert was so unbelievably bad that it caused him to get benched last year? There`s no “double standard” here. If Colt goes ten games straight being this hopelessly bad, believe me I`ll be riding him just as much. But he`s had three as a starter and change vs the Titans when he salvaged the Cousins wreckage for a rare win. If anyone deserves some patience right now it`s Colt McCoy. not Griffin who has already received tons and tons of unwarranted patience.

          Instead of comparing Griffin`s worst game of the year vs Colt McCoy`s worst, try comparing Colt`s best vs Robert`s best, which makes a lot more sense to me. Obviously, anyone could play badly. I could step on that field and play even worse than Griffin. That`s not what we should be focusing on. We should be focusing on who can play well. Clearly that is not Griffin.

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:49 PM

          Oh and 127,3 yards per game man! Do you even understand how bad that is?

          In the NFL rankings, Cousins is in sixth place with 285 y/g, McCoy is in 16th with 254,5 y/g and St Robert the Holy is in 41st place with 127,3 y/g. By comparison, Geno Smith has 161, 6 y/g.

          The following nine QBs are worse than Griffin this season when it comes to y/g: Shaun Hill, Matt Cassell, Ryan Mallett, Matt McGloin, Christian Ponder, Brandon Weeden, Derek Anderson, Logan Thomas and Michael Vick. Quite the list of future hall of famers there. No starting QB, including Blake Bortles and the rookie Teddy Bridgewater, have been even remotely close to being as awful as Griffin has been.

          Here, go wild trying to put a positive spin on this:

        • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM

          To amuse ourselves, let`s also look at average yards pr pass:

          Kirk Cousins in 14th with 8,4, McCoy in 14th with 8,4, Bob in 32nd with 7,3.

          And let`s zoom in on Robert`s personal performance to finish off our analysis:

          TDs: 45th place with 2 TDs.
          Passer rating: 38th in the league with 86,2.

          The only stats where RGIII has seemingly performed is his pass%, which as I mentioned is fudged because the play calling is limited by him to short passes. Anything hard or long and he misses it or can`t see the receivers because his eyes are in the stands. He is at the moment a horrible, horrible quarterback. I don`t care how many confused people you manage to round up to holler “RG3” in the stands. There is no reason for the Redskins to play him, or any other team for that matter. And that is what the these stats prove, not that the rest of the team is bad. I`m sure I can find some other stats which will prove that though, but with these numbers Griffin is the last one who should be pointing fingers anywhere. And so are his moist fans who have apparently become blind now.

        • Bill - Dec 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM

          Not sure why you are using yards per game. It’s been long shown that yards per game is a faulty stat, but in this particular case it’s also faulty because Griffin has averaged 20.5 pass attempts per game this season. That’s 10 less per game than the other QBs on the roster. Even when you factor in sacks, he still has had less dropbacks than the others per game.

          Everything else you posted doesn’t make sense. You compare the Redskins QBs using W-L record, which is the dumbest way to compare QBs in team football. You bring up games from last season; when the roster, coaching staff, and competition were all completely different. You compare the QBs using season stats; which I already acknowledged were in favor of Cousins and McCoy, but ALSO reiterated were based on small sample sizes, and thus don’t give an accurate representation of each QB’s quarterbacking prowess, and thus (for starters) make it illogical to definitively assess QB performance in a season. (As an aside, you also decide to use stats such as Y/A and TDs, which are already a part of ANY/A, the stat I used above. You also posted more commentary on completion percentage, even though I left it out of my analysis just for your convenience.)

          And, to top it off, you fail to understand the basic point of Mr. Tandler’s piece. This isn’t about what each QB has done the entire season, anyway, so much of what you’re rambling about is inherently irrelevant. It’s about the head coach’s (and general) reaction to McCoy’s SINGLE GAME PERFORMANCE VS. THE BUCS AND HIS POST-GAME COMMENTS, compared to that of Robert’s vs. the Bucs. When I provide proof that both performances were identical – and that’s just from the QB position, because the entire Redskins offense was more inept vs. the Rams – it makes Tandler’s argument of a double-standard concerning Griffin all the more valid.

        • Skulb - Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM

          You made the claim that Griffin`s play this season has been NFL caliber and I provided what I consider proof of the opposite, and similar indications that he was equally poor last season. 127,3 yards pr game means it is more or less impossible to win games, all other factors excluded. I would argue that it is one of the main tasks of any NFL QB to move the offense sufficiently to put the team in a position to win, and that is why this stat is significant. It is so bad that it makes it impossible to win. I`ll accept that Griffin maybe succeeded in this regard against Minnesota, if you disregard his pick in the first half, but that`s about it for the last ten games he`s started. When you make claims like this you need to be prepared to have them argued about, and not lamely pretend that it`s off topic when people disagree with you. You launched the topic personally.

          As for McCoy`s statement he was right for one thing. And your assumption that the Tampa and Rams situations were identical is in my view wrong, and I have already pointed out above why. Rams are just better, especially on defense, and had beaten Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona and Denver coming into the game while the Redskins had just lost to SF, Tampa and Minnesota. Tampa on the other hand was awful before Washington showed up and made them look like SB contenders. Even worse, on paper, than the Redskins themselves. Tampa then reverted to being awful again after playing the Redskins enablers. Go figure!
          Secondly; McCoy is a third stringer who is playing exclusively because the other two QBs have played poorly. Besides, Gruden is out of QBs and has probably given up, so what would be the point of even critiquing McCoy at this point? McCoy also didn`t compare himself to Manning and Rodgers but simply stated that the protection wasn`t very good after he broke his neck on his last play of the day. I might have been annoyed myself. If he had been a starter, had said the ridiculous things RGIII said and the Rams had been as bad as Tampa then the situations would have been the same. But they are not.

          I disagree with Rich on this too. What`s the use of an apology if you finish it out by saying “but it`s really all your fault”? And that was basically what RGIII did in his presser. It`s all my fault BUT I can`t play well if everyone else isn`t playing and coaching well enough. In other words it`s not really my fault after all, but everyone else`s. There was no hint of this buck passing with the contrite McCoy, which makes Rich`s little crusade here rather lame. The only double standard I can see is in favor of RGIII, not against him. He has been coddled by the Redskins, and by embedded journalists surrounding the team, for two years of poor performances and quite possibly poor effort in both training and preparation. If he was prepared for his matches this year he did a good job hiding it is all I can say. Which again means he`s not NFL caliber this season or the last.

        • Bill - Dec 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

          I mean, a Google search will help you figure out why passing yards per game isn’t all that useful of a stat to use for QBs. And talking about the Rams as an entire team is also irrelvant. Quarterbacks can only play against a team’s DEFENSE, and I already factored that into my post above.

          The lack of reading comprehension mystifies me, though. Since you’re so offended by Griffin’s comments, you’ll have to explain to me when or where Griffin ever “compared himself” to Manning, Brady, or Rodgers WITH RESPECT TO PLAYING ABILITY. No, Skulb, Griffin didn’t claim or imply that he was as “good” as those guys in his presser. The ONLY implicit comparsion he made to those aforementioned players was that, like Manning/Brady/Rodgers, Griffin is also a QB who needs the help of his teammates to win football games. If you’re unable to grasp that simple FACT with your intellect, then I pity you. It’s no different from when Colt McCoy talks about the lack of protection or performance from other units, and he wouldn’t be talking about those units if they had zero relevancy to winning football games.

          Really, you have disregarded basic facts, failed to grasp arguments, ranted about strawmen, and taken quotes out of context. You have to do better than that.

  22. fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    I predict after the Skins, led by Robert Griffin, lose by 20 points to the Giants this Sunday, that FEDEX will be half empty for their final 2 home games with the bulk of those in attendance being Eagles and Cowboys fans….I also predict that if Gruden is fired and Robert is retained this team will not win again for at least 5 more years and could very well go 0 and 16 next year… The beginning was amazing, with Griffin leading the team to the playoffs for the first time in a few years and winning rookie of the year. Griffin was excellent and the team looked like they had a franchise QB for years to come. But after getting injured and not sitting out when he likely should have against the Seahawks in the playoffs, Griffin put himself on a bad track.The next season Griffin (as he has always done) allowed social media and fan perceptions to get the best of him and selfishly declared that he was “all in for Week 1”. The campaign had shirts and other promotions and was all about Griffin playing Week 1. He put Mike Shanahan and the Redskins in a tough position and eventually he was injured again and ever since he has not been the same. Griffin has now burned through one coaching staff and Jay Gruden appeared to be exasperated by the way Griffin played earlier in the season. Gruden being fired and Robert staying will result in a dysfunction so bad that by game 4 of next year when the Skins are 0 and 4 the stadium will be so empty you will be able to hear your own echo…

    • Dcwun - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:57 PM

      Stop acting like RGIII got Shanny fired. Shanny got himself fired. The only success Shanny had in Washington was because of RGIII. He was AWFUL and hasn’t won a playoff game since Elway retired. Me “I’ll stake my reputation on John Beck.” Please……

      • fwhalstead1 - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

        Dcwun – Shanny’s success or lack thereof all you want – the truth is RG3 got him fired and now the Skins are stuck with a 3rd string QB named Robert Griffin because he put SELF before TEAM and it’s time ppl stop apologizing for and wishing RG3 would come back….he’s not coming back…everything Snyder touches turns to shit in football…So out of all of that post all you had to latch onto was the part about Robert’s role had in getting Shanny fired? Yeah. rest of it is on point too!

        • Redskinsfans aretheworst - Dec 10, 2014 at 6:28 AM

          People kill with this nfl level stuff. Stats are relative. Colt had two 392 3/0 and it didn’t matter because we were never a threat to win. Defenses don’t care about yards given up. It’s about points. And it doesn’t matter who scored the points because they count the same. Andrew Luck won and he played terrible at times. Many would say doesn’t matter because he won. Wrong. The team won. The defense didn’t let the game go and the offense finished the game.

    • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

      You are my sunshine my only sunshine, you make me happy when skies are grey.

  23. gasngo14 - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Rich what’s this im hearing that University of Michigan is in talks with Gruden? Rich do you have any info on this?

  24. goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    Cam done rolled his truck right in my neck of the woods. Man I use that over pass near Bank of America all the time going to work. Glad to see Cam was not too injured in the crash, his car looked pretty beat.. I tell you what homie, iI had Cam type of $$$ I would be driving around in a tank you know what Im saying… Bulletproof glass, reinforced doors the whole nine plaaya

  25. gasngo14 - Dec 9, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Gruden to Michigan……?

    “This source, who is intimately familiar with the Wolverines’ rapidly emerging coaching search, informed me on Thursday that initial contact has been made between the parties and that Gruden’s representation was enthusiastically open to the potential. I can’t put a figure on the likelihood of Gruden fleeing to Ann Arbor, and another UM source I trust refused to confirm anything I asked, but it’s an interesting leverage point nonetheless.”

    • goback2rfk - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM

      Awesome, I think he would be a great fit in Michigan next year.. Looks like what about a Jim Harbough Coach and Rex Ryan Defensive coordinator pair next year? Atleast Harbough has experience with a mobile qb.

  26. gasngo14 - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    I believe our O still looked its best with cousins but who am I …

    • Skulb - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:36 PM

      I agree. If he could only stop being color blind, or whatever it is that makes him throw the ball to the wrong team all the time.

  27. E - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Please stop giving Griffin this cushion as if he had a difficult division to win in. Secondly his stats in 2012 were predicated off a gimmick offense, that ultimately the Seahawks beat them with. The other QBs in that draft have transitioned to legit QB’s. People blamed the Shanahans and it was the media and fans all in Griffin’s behind that brought him back too early. Then when comes he STILL put his body in harms ways. McCoy lost his job in Cleveland because he was knocked cold out by James Harrison. This team is set back because the Redskins have not had a consistent QB in years. The NFL is a place for pocket passers. If Griffin wants to run the convert to a WR. Jordan Reed was a QB at one point. Griffin was not the answer and this franchise is becoming a joke. Snyder needs to sell. His ownership breeds a lack luster culture and support of fickleness and unreasonable expectations overnight. Griffim had his chance now can we stop ridin his coat tail. Focus on the picks the Shanahans made are worth it (Morris and Reed) add more depth in OLine and safety position and get rid of Jim Haslett ( a long overdo decision). We should of never let Greg Williams go.!

  28. vtsquirm - Dec 9, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Clearly the problem is the offensive scheme or play calling. No one on offense is “on board” apparently. I’d like to see RG3 play with a decent line and see what happens. Yeah he may need to work on some things but the kid can play football-a good coach should make it work

  29. Bill - Dec 10, 2014 at 2:17 AM

    You know what? While I’ve been perplexed by many of Skulb’s comments, this one takes the cake: “Even if [RG] manages to find his form at some point I`ll be happy if he becomes the new Michael Vick, who is playing much better at 34 than Griffin has played this season, despite all the ridicule he gets in New York.”

    Either you’re badly misinformed as it pertains to Vick’s QB performance this season, or you’re trolling.

    • Skulb - Dec 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

      I meant to say he`s been running better, which I stand by. Oh and he also won a game this season, unlike most of the QBs in Washington. And he managed that feat with the Jets who allegedly have a defensive coordinator as HC:
      Oh well Bill, it`s amazing what you can`t understand when you put your mind to it.

      • fwhalstead1 - Dec 10, 2014 at 7:09 PM

        Skulb – Please stop responding to Robert – ooops I meant Bill – You’re much too “on point” and Bill strains hot water through Robert’s jock to make his tea…it is pitiful….

        • Bill - Dec 10, 2014 at 7:49 PM

          Maybe one of these days you’ll acquire enough neurons so you can also enjoy the honor of being embarrassed by me in a debate.

          Until then.

        • Skulb - Dec 11, 2014 at 3:43 AM

          @Bill Except you`re not debating, but just using using cheap rhetoric and illogical double standards to make your non-points. The only embarrassment here is you.

    • Skulb - Dec 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      Oh, and since you apparently pick and choose games to compare in order to save RGIII, permit me to do the same on Michael Vick`s behalf. He was clearly better against Pittsburgh than RGIII was against Minnesota, and he won the game. Michael Vick wins!

      • Bill - Dec 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM

        Except you didn’t argue that Vick was better than Griffin in a given game. You argued that Vick has been better than Griffin THIS SEASON (small sample size theater, of course), and no. He hasn’t.

        By the way, what you’re doing is entrely different from what I posted above. I’d explain why, but you’ve already demonstrated that you lack the ability to reason, so I’ll save the screen characters.

        • Skulb - Dec 11, 2014 at 3:47 AM

          No it is not because your absurd criterium was that if you could prove that McCoy was AS BAD against St Louis as Bob was against Tampa then that meant that RGIII was still great and that this isn`t a QB issue. That`s been your whole “argument” here in this thread.
          Clearly therefore, if I can prove that Vick has been better against Pittsburgh than Bob was against Minnesota I have proven that Vick is great and that Bob is trash. All I did was use your own hyperbole and lack of logic against you. If what I said makes no sense then it is because what you said makes no sense, because they are identical arguments.
          Now who has been embarrassed in “debate” around here? You could even recognize your own argumentation.

        • Bill - Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

          “No it is not because your absurd criterium was that if you could prove that McCoy was AS BAD against St Louis as Bob was against Tampa then that meant that RGIII was still great and that this isn`t a QB issue.”

          LOL, no. You’re like a little child who is shooting hoops at a regulation NBA basket: you’re not even close.

          (Heck, if this were an actual competition, I’d put house money on the child getting it right eventually. Reasoning isn’t your strong suit.)

  30. largetony86 - Dec 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    I don’t understand why people hate on RG3. HE didn’t trade the draft picks away. HE didn’t put himself in commercials. And, most importantly, HE didn’t anoint himself the savior of the franchise–we, the fans, did that. The young man has never played from the pocket before and we’re acting like there shouldn’t be a learning curve for him! His talent and potential are far too great to just toss him aside.
    How about placing a little of the blame on Gruden (where it belongs)? Why would Gruden just give up on him after 4 games instead of trying to work with him to correct his deficiencies? The truth is Gruden doesn’t like the “type” of quarterback Robert is an the relationship between them was doomed from the start. I always question a coach who puts his “system” above the talents of his players. Good coaches adjust what their “system” is to fit the skillsets of their players. Gruden doesn’t do that. Case in point–he only criticizes Robert but the fact is Colt and, to a lesser degree, Kirk suck in his “system” too. But has he changed anything?

  31. RamRene - Dec 10, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    What a biased article. The author tries to make it appear as if he takes an apples-to-apples comparison but the truth is the variables are vastly different.

    First off, RG3 has had YEARS to cement his position so when he had another poor game against the Bucs it was just one more in his sequence of many poor games.

    McCoy’s poor game occurred in only his 3rd or 4th start for the team. In other words, McCoy hasn’t been given nearly the same amount of chances as RG3.

    For it to be a fair comparison the writer would have had to have called out RG3 in only his 3rd or 4th start.

    Secondly, it wasn’t so much McCoy’s fault. The Rams defense has come into its own and is finally playing to its expectations these last 4-5 games. It wouldn’t have mattered who was quarterbacking the ‘Skins, even Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos would have been shutout by the Rams except for one miscommunication in the secondary.

    Whatever the ‘Skins decide to do with MCoy should not be determined by his outing against the Rams. Right now, they’re playing better defense than anybody in the NFL. Give him these last 3 games and at the end of the season evaluate your quarterback position then.

    • Bill - Dec 11, 2014 at 10:18 AM

      Griffin is learning a brand-new offense (going back to college, in fact) under a brand-new coaching staff and with brand-new offensive teammates on the roster. Claiming that he’s had “YEARS to cement his position” misses this important, um, VARIABLE.

      Besides, this point is also irrelevant. The QBs were scrutinized for their respective SINGLE-GAME performances. And the defenses that they played against were also taken under consideration; read the posts above. Archives

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