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How can Kirk Cousins ‘win’ a Redskins QB competition that never happened?

Aug 24, 2014, 9:44 AM EDT

Joe Theismann made some comments on the Redskins’ quarterback situation during the TV broadcast of the Redskins-Ravens preseason game last night. In case you didn’t catch them, here is the key part.

“It’s going to be a decision that Jay Gruden is going to have to make,” Theismann said. “Right now, Robert Griffin III is his quarterback. Now, if there was a quarterback competition, it wouldn’t be a competition. Kirk Cousins would be the man I believe he would have to go to, because of the efficiency with which he has run (the offense).”

Well, maybe Joe, but here’s the thing. There wasn’t a quarterback competition. If there had been a quarterback competition then Cousins would have been in the game last night with some reps against Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Chri Canty, and other front-line Ravens defenders. As it was, those starters and the Ravens’ other front-line players were in there and made life difficult for Griffin. They were gone when Cousins came into the game early in the third quarter.

And Griffin would have had his shots against the likes of Pernell McPhee, DeAngelo Tyson, and Kapron Lewis-Moore.

Had there been a competition then Cousins would have taken first-team reps in training camp against Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall, and the rest of the defensive starters. He didn’t. And when the Patriots were in town, Cousins would have gone up against Darrell Revis, Brandon Browner, and Vince Wilfork. And Griffin would have had snaps against the Patriots backups.

Now let’s look at the other side the coin. Had there been a QB competition then Cousins would have played last night with Trent Williams at left tackle and he would have been throwing to Jordan Reed, Pierre Garçon, and DeSean Jackson last night. Griffin would have had some snaps with Tom Compton at left tackle and with Ryan Grant, Logan Paulsen, and Santana Moss as his primary pass targets.

We can debate all day who might have looked better surrounded by that talent and with those defensive matchup. However, the debate would be pointless. We have no way of knowing.

It makes no sense for Theismann to say that Kirk Cousins “won” the quarterback “competition” because there wasn’t one. It also would be illogical to say that Griffin would have “won”. We have no idea how it would have played out if Jay Gruden had conducted a competition. It’s just hypothetical.

The reality here and now is that it’s too late to have a QB competition even if Gruden was inclined to have one (and he’s not). How about if we deal with actual events instead of creating a phony QB controversy?

128 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. abanig - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    I got it! Kirk can shine against 2nd and 3rd team defenses while Rg3 gets to play against Browns and Ravens starters – two defenses that will killed be top 10 in the NFL.

    • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

      browns defense is actually pretty good

  2. v6volume - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Completely agree Rich

  3. deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Certainly we should deal with actual events, in fact it is those events which create the controversy.

    1) Griffin could not see the field and could not spot open receivers regardless of who was on the field.

    2) Griffin was LATE on several throws to open receivers and it didn’t matter if Suggs was in the game or Jim Smith was in the game.

    3) Griffin does not appear to understand how to check out of a blitz regardless of who is blitzing

    4) Griffin holds on to the ball too long because he learned to do that in college waiting for the deep route to come open.

    • deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM


      Kirk Cousins does not hang on the ball as long as Griffin…regardless of who is in the game.

      Cousins changes plays at the line of scrimmage better than Griffin…regardless of who is in the game.

      Cousin appears to see the field better than Griffin regardless of who is in the game.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM

      So the solution to all this is to give up on him, play Cousins, and flush your investment in him down the toilet?

      Or is it to take a deep breath, work with your starter, and give him a chance to learn? You do know that players, especially quarterbacks, can learn and adjust and get better over time, right? It’s not a static situation.

      • deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

        lets give up the myth Rich. There is no investment. The number 1 draft picks which you refer to are all gone. They are not being held in a bank somewhere and we get them back. The MYTH is that since you draft a person they MUST start or else……? Or else what??

        Robert wants to be like Aaron Rogers? Fine, no problem. He should hold a clipboard during year number THREE and develop. JUST LIKE ROGERS DID. Unless……

        UNLESS what we are seeing is smoke and mirrors and in Houston the read option and the Turbo package are implemented and the Redskins suddenly get back to what Griffin is good at.

        Either let Griffin be Griffin or let him watch a pocket passer and learn how it is done.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

          You’re smarter than that.

          The point about investment is that the organization made a decision to give up what they gave up to draft Griffin. Successful organizations don’t bail out if they hit some rough waters with one of their major decisions, especially after a relatively short period of time.

          Sticking with the decision carries no guarantee of success. I don’t know what the future holds for Griffin. It may work, it may not. But now is not the time to bail on the decision.

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        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:55 AM

          Well said

        • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

          Shouldn’t you just become a cowboy fan? Why don’t you follow the rest of the bangwaonwewanttowinnow delusional fans who don’t know crap about football but root for the superbowl winners every year. Who’s your team this year?

        • Tim Heath - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:19 AM

          I totally agree. Sry rich but 3 years isn’t a small time span. Cousins has always looked better in a pro style offense. If cousins got the reps RG3 got, then how much further along would he be. Right now Griffin is still making pop warner mistakes and has shown almost no sign of understanding pro defenses or offenses. He still stares down his receivers and holds the ball too long. Then eventually throws to the wrong guy. I’ve never seen someone look so unnatural at the qb position. And I love the people in here that think you should root for the Cowboys just bc we can tell that RG3 doesn’t get it. You all can’t be that big of homers that u can’t see the huge flaws in his game.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM

          Griffin has played 3 years? I count two training camps, two seasons, one of which was pretty good. Not like the guy has shown nothing.

          If you disagree, cool. But at least count correctly.

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        • realfan82 - Aug 26, 2014 at 10:54 AM

          that’s the problem, you people don’t even know how many years RG3 played smh, you can’t be serious

      • tnt66 - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM

        No, the solution is to play the best guy period like you do at every other position. You just double down on your losses if you let him continue to stink up the field like he did last night. He was horrible last year too so how long do we have to endure a bad qb before we cit our loses? This is his third year and no excuses for him anymore. Get it done or move out of the way.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM

          Yes, panic and abandoning your plan is always productive. Unless it isn’t. And it isn’t.

        • Troy Burchfield - Aug 30, 2014 at 12:13 AM

          I love it when people say ur not a real fan if u dont think rg3 is gonna make it these are the same people who wanted the skins to loose when cousins was starting last year there are so many rg3 bandwagon fans its ridiculous. Football is a team sport not a one man show and cousins is apart of the team so please stop sounding so stupid by sayin oh ur not a true fan if u think cousins would do a better job no its u people who are the rg3 bandwagon fans period

      • mg - Aug 25, 2014 at 3:48 AM

        not a reskins fan at all but i live in nova and i think i can be objective. i think rg3 has a cancerous group of yes family and supporters surrounding him. they explained away last season as all injury. i think he should be further along on the basics….he should have practiced sliding and practicing giving up on a bad play b4 getting hurt or making a big error about 1 million times since last season ended. then it would start to be 2nd nature. so far he was hit like a ping pong going for a few extra yards in a preseason game and sliding is just bad. this kid needs a humbling and divorce from said suppoters and fast if hes gonna make it. hes smart, i hope he figures it out.

  4. Johan Beyer - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Still, Gruden’s offense requires a pocket passer and RG3 seems like a long way from that! Can he ever be an effective pocket passer? We’re about to start the season and RG3 seems like he’s years away (if ever). Cousins makes quick decisions and creates fluidity in the offense. I would have RG3 on a short leash! The team and fans deserve the best opportunity to win now!!

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

      What exactly do you know about Gruden’s offense? You know for a fact that he can’t adjust it for a talent like Griffin.

      Ah yes, the fans deserve to “win now”. That thinking has worked so well for the Redskins in the past. Have you been paying attention at all?

      How about taking some time to develop the player you invested so heavily in just two years ago instead of giving him a short leash and panicking when things don’t work out right away? That a plan that has a much better chance of getting you where you want to be than “win now”.

      • mscottys - Aug 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

        Rich, I’ve been reading your comments for some time now and I’ve never heard you so testy and defensive. Telling people who are expressing their opinions to go elsewhere to get their Redskin news is unprofessional at best and childish at worst. I agree with much of what you say but I am getting tired of your inability to accept other people’s opinions on this thread. I am a middle school teacher and don’t expect mid school replies while reading my sports’ threads at night. Lighten up a bit and make your points without belittling others. Deepball1 is just as entitled to his opinions as you are and he makes some good points. A defensive reaction is a sign of insecurity. Let free speech rule the board – it’s part of a healthy dialogue.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 26, 2014 at 5:21 AM

          Thanks for your comments but might I suggest that you read the original comments before reading my responses. The one comment where I suggested that someone go elsewhere was one where my football knowledge was questioned. Not sure I’d read a football blog written by someone who doesn’t know football so that was the reason for the suggestion.

          As far as free speech, I have not deleted or edited any comments in this thread. That is something that I rarely do and never do it because I disagree with the point of view expressed. You said it–dialogue, two points of view being expressed.

          If my tone isn’t quite right on occasion, I apologize. With as many responses as came in here over the past couple of days I didn’t have the time to think out each reply as well as I would like.

        • mscottys - Aug 27, 2014 at 12:30 AM

          Hey Rich, I appreciate your prompt and thoughtful reply. I did read the entire thread and had come to the conclusion that the conversation was, in general, deteriorating into a negative, chippy spat which I found to be off-putting and felt that you, as the forum captain, needed to pull the conversation out of the muck.. I know though that, despite our different opinions about RG3, the one thing that we all have in common is our love for the Redskins and our desire for them to be successful. I personally think that KC is better prepared to lead us at this point but agree that since we have invested so much in RG, we need to see if he can return to his 2012, pre-injury form. I have my doubts about him as a pocket passer and a leader but I sure hope that I am wrong. Regardless, I know that our patience and nerves have been frayed ever since DS took over the team and I think our frustration was becoming evident in the thread. I look forward to the team and fans pulling together and overcoming this adversity and appreciate your dedication to the sons of Washington. HTTR! Scott

    • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

      Thats why your not a coach mr kneejerk! I would though roll him out more like they do cousins. I swear he rolls out almost every third drop back. How would this not benefit rg3 whom is a more athletic player!

      • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM

        Fred when they roll him out he runs it about 90% of the time that’s not good either .

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:18 PM

          Thats were coaching comes in. I think its a matter of rhythm. I think timing and releasing the ball all comes down to rhythm with playing this will get better.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 7:21 PM

          Fred RG3 has been coached its him who is in control and he yet does the things he is taught. YOU CAN’T TELL ME HE HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED ON THIS ! It’s obvious he runs at the first sight of pressure and that is on him period …no excuses!

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:11 PM

          well its not in my blood to do this but no mas no mas you want it. I’ll say start cousins let’s see what he do since you’re so adamant that hes’s quite stupid since Kurt hasn’t won anything! quarterbacks cannot be robots you cannot totally Plan a game you must be able to adjust on the fly between the both of these guys rg3 has shown that he was better. leave it to the New England cheaters To start a controversy with a team leader . If it wasn’t for the New England sports writer and coaches saying that Kurt played better doing their scrimmages. What has he done outside of that, that is better than rg3. Please tell me what has he done better outside of 3 preseason games better than rg3 please tell me I beg you!

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM

          well its not in my blood to do this but no mas no mas you want it. I’ll say start cousins let’s see what he do since you’re so adamant that hes’s quite stupid since Kurt hasn’t won anything! quarterbacks cannot be robots you cannot totally Plan a game you must be able to adjust on the fly between the both of these guys rg3 has shown that he was better. Leave it to the New England cheaters To start a controversy with a team leader . If it wasn’t for the New England sports writer and coaches saying that Kurt played better doing a few scrimmages. What has he done outside of that, that is better than rg3. Please tell me what has he done better outside of 3 preseason games better than rg3 please tell me I beg you!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:50 PM

          FRED …JUST MORE EXCUSES you are only as good as your last games and with the new staff / system its pretty clear who has played better …im so sorry you want to blame the how many time super bowl champs / cheaters for the issues of our team / players ? Our own super bowl winning QB is raising the same questions …among many others… why should we not want to see the best player starting on Sundays who give our team the best chance of winning? it doesn’t matter what we paid for a player.

          “Please tell me what has he done better outside of 3 preseason games better than rg3 please tell me I beg you!”
          Fred ITS A NEW STAFF / SYSTEM AND CLEARLY 101 QB RATING AGAINST A 46 QB RATING …and a steadily decline in performance by RG3 … WHAT WILL YOU SAY AFTER ANOTHER 3-5 WIN SEASON

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM

          I’ve been a loyal Washington fan for over 35 years I watch Doug Williams, Joe Theismann Mark rypkien, Jay schroeder and all those guys. So I know what what a real quarterback look like. Joe was okay in a on Superbowl team. What maked him an expert. I know is rg3 is being out played in three preseason games. While playing the tougher unit. we are both washington fans. Lets both hope that what your saying is not true because RG3 IS THE STARTER WHENEVER YOU GET THROUGH!

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:21 PM

          Hey, Lache Seastrunk leads the team in rushing! Shiny new object. He’s the starting running back, right? The heck with what Morris did in 2012.

          Ryan Grant, Aldrick Robinson, and Niles Paul are the top receivers in preseason. Garçon, DJax, Reed, you guys are banished to the bench! What have you done for me lately! And Nick Williams leads in TD’s. Obviously, he needs to be the go-to guy in the red zone!

          Great way to run a football team!

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  5. Bruce derry - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    RG3 runs out of bounds minus six yards instead of throwing away the ball?????? Let’s be honest he looks horrible!!!!

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

      On that play he did. Don’t think anyone is saying he looked good. How fast he can improve is what is up for debate.

      • Tyler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:09 AM

        Rich can you tell us what rg did good during the game?

      • deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

        how steep is the learning Curve Rich….for simply tossing the ball away instead of taking a 6 yard loss?????

        I realize you get paid by the company to espouse the company line and of course that line is “Robert is our starter and it takes time, etc etc etc” “Cousin is a backup, etc etc etc” But you sound like Gruden. You sound like an apologist.

        Didn’t take Russell Wilson a lot of time. Didn’t take Nick Foles time to adjust to a complicated offense. Why don’t we try this: STOP apologizing for Griffin. STOP treating him like a spoiled brat whose feelings will be hurt if we don’t pamper him. Poor Babeeee!

        How about we treat him like a Big Boy because this is a Big Boy league.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

          Actually, I don’t get paid by the Redskins. I cover the team for Comcast SportsNet and the views expressed are my own.

          You can disagree all you want. But I’ll respect your views for what they are if you give me the same respect. Otherwise, please go elsewhere to find your Redskins news and views.

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        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

          Letd stay professional no name calling. It makes it sound personal. We will be fine!

  6. hitmeimopen - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Why was Philip Thomas not playing? Is he hurt?

    • deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

      he played and was in on tackles.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM

      He played 13 snaps. Not sure why he didn’t go longer.

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      • hitmeimopen - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

        In any of the ‘stats’ posts that i’ve seen he isn’t even listed as having played. Glad he d`id. You said he was ‘in’ on some tackles…did he look good? I pin some hope on this guy because I don’t think Merriweather will last.

        • thankslittlebrandonbanks - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:25 PM

          Merriweather is the best safety on this roster. What do you mean by”won’t last”?

      • cowboyhater - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM

        He didn’t go longer to avoid risking injury going into the season opener. He will be the starter in week 1 after they fine, and suspend Merriweather for that hit last night. I hated the signing for this exact reason…not that I don’t think that he was our best option, but just the fact that the NFL is looking at him and every hit he makes on the field. Wow…we couldn’t even get past preseason without a possible suspension…ugh!!

  7. hdnvn - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    I think when referring and debating the quarterback position joe theisman in the eyes of the court would be considered an expert. Regardless of personnel on the field cousins body language encourages positive play. Griffin just to me projected negative play. He looked as if he had quit.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

      I didn’t see that. And the greatest QB expert who ever lived can’t judge what never happened. Sorry.

  8. Johan Beyer - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    We have an arsenal of offensive weapons surrounding RG3, yet he can’t take advantage of them! With a porous OL, we need a decisive and effective QB who quickly gets the ball out, reads defenses and makes adjustments.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

      So we can draw this conclusion after less than four quarters of play with no game planning?

      • deepball1 - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

        and the Myth continues. The Myth that last year did not occur. Griffin just graduated and this is his rookie year.

        This actually is his THIRD year. Gruden says practice is important. Hasn’t Griffin been practicing for the last SIX months? A reporter asked why Griffin isn’t getting more reps and Gruden said that he gets PLENTY OF REPS in PRACTICE.

        So which is it Rich? Only game reps count or do practice reps count as the Coach says. You are saying only game reps count. Gruden says practice reps count. Who is right here, I am confused.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

          Maybe I should take back my previous comment about you being smarter than that. All I’ll say is that patience usually works better in the NFL than knee jerk reactions after three preseason games.

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  9. mattn348 - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Thank you for posting this, Rich.

    Much like the name debate, when ill-informed people spout knee-jerk reactions on national television, the stupidity spreads like wildfire.

  10. fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    I agree that rg3 has a learning curve with holding the ball, but it does matter if you get to pat the ball like Tom Brady or run for your life like Jay Cutler. Ive always felt I could qb if I could stand there for 5 sec. Hopefully Gruden decide to put rg3 more on the move like Cousins. He rolls out alot. If he gets rg3 in rhythm during the game he would do better. ie the shanahans did short quick passes his rookie year. Stop trying to throw the bomb coordinators and work it down the field. My prediction. Rg3 25 tds 4rushing and 8 picks. Redskins 10- 6 on season. Word to the washington fans dont tear down your own team. If its meant to be cousins chance will come.

    • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

      I agree 4 quarters of prep doesnt get you ready. Also I agree that cousins looks sharper but couldnt that be because he comfortable with him he throwing to. Rg3 didnt look good at all until he threw to reed. Whom he knows.

    • pikebeda - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

      Fred RG3 would have more time in the pocket if, he would learn to slide and step up in the pocket!!! Instead he backs up …

  11. Danindc - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Always the same story. Happened with Jason Campbell and Todd Collins. If there’s no competition then the starter can’t get better under the pressure of competition. It’s obvious. RG3 will continue to fail and Redskin myopians will continue to make excuses. Then when we wast 5 years and move on all will be forgotten and the idiots will be wrong about something else. It’s actually kinda funny.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

      Is that really “obvious”? Griffin did pretty well after having been declared the starter during rookie minicamp in 2012. Selective memories . . .

      • Danindc - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:36 AM

        I hated the trade. RG3 has never shown he can sit in pocket and make reads. At Baylor, the coach called plays at the line for him because he wasn’t trusted to make correct reads pre snap. This was all available info that sportswriters chose to not notice. It is now obvious that he has a real difficulty sitting in pocket and making reads.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

          Don’t most college coaches call plays? In fact, don’t coaches at all levels call most of the plays now.

          And here we go again with it’s “obvious” when we haven’t had enough time to know if it is or not.

        • Danindc - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:58 AM

          Rich, you haven’t seem enough to realize RG3 has difficulty sitting in the pocket and making reads? How many years do you want to give him?

    • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 11:50 AM

      Can you say kneejerk again! What you just said could go for cousins too! Flynn for the packers is a back up too whom look good in one game and he was deemed great! I cant remember one game that cousins started when rg3 was out that he looked great in. I will give you this if we start of 0 and 4 pull him and start cousins. Remember though I do believe that is the game against seattle! Lets see what he does then. He has had three straight years of off season prep, he should be a little better in the pocket. The guy you drafted should be given the opportunity to do that. Oh in reference to campbell, how many times did they change the offense on that guy!

  12. pikebeda - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Rich, I understand everything you’re saying but, isn’t this about winning and putting the professional out there that gives us the best opportunity to win? Defenses no longer worry about him throwing when he starts to run because they no he doesn’t! Check out the play in the 1st were the safety left Roberts running free and RG3 never looked up and took the 1st of 2 bad sacks. You talk about investment but the problem is, the other players in that locker room will turn at some point if he continue to play bad (Starting with the WR’s) and Gruden can’t afford to lose the locker room as a 1st year HC. That would be the end of his tenure before it starts!

    • pikebeda - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM

      No one is saying Cousins is the answer, there saying he looks to have a better grasp of the offense and the QB position! The future QB of this team is NOT on this roster. This is a 4 win team because of the QB’s, while the defense will be in the top 10!!!

      • tnt66 - Aug 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM


    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM

      No, it’s about making the decision that is best for the long term good of the organization. Right now, that means you give the guy you committed to a chance to learn under the new coach, make the adjustments he’s asking him to make, and giving it time to play out.

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      • pikebeda - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:54 PM

        If he doesn’t win this year and we end up 4 – 12, he won’t be the QB next year. So the long term good of this organization is 16 games for RG3

  13. elfstone8402 - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    GRUDEN’s Mistakes. WINNING matters. You being by saying, Day One, “I love Robert, but we’ll play the guys who give us the best chance to win”. You don’t hand jobs off based on previous years, yes, even Tom Brady was benched on Friday when he stunk on his first tow drives. He came back fired up and played awesome.

    2. You don’t hire a green OC who lacks the knowledge and nerve to COACH RG3, and lacks NFL experience as a Coordinator or Head Coach. I think I saw him in May cutting my neighbor’s lawn. No, you don’t keep a DC who forces a 3-4 of his own choosing, and blames his last boss for all his own stupidity when the 3-4 doesn’t work..

    3. YOU HIRE A TEAM QuarterBack COACH, like all the other NFL teams, whether of not RG3 wants one. RG3 has serious flaws that McVay and Gruden lack the time of knowledge or GUTS to correct. Don’t think Grudan has the courage to fire Haslett of McVay no matter how badly their men perform…he looks like a wussy doughboy. Maybe Bro Jon can straighten him out.

    4. If RG3 continues to refuse coaching, bench the spoiled brat to get his attitude adjusted.

    5. Snyder and Gruden together need to tell RG3 to chill on his immature Tweet rantings. Don’t see that from Peyton, or Drew, eh??

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM

      I love it when someone has all the answers! Glad you have a plan. Problem is, it strongly resembles the “let’s panic” plan that has led to constant failure in the organization over the last 20+ years.

    • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

      Petyon and Drew are damn near forty and so am I, we dont tweet. Thats for the kids. Rg3 and Cousins are kids compared to us. 23 to 24 years old. They do rap videos though. You know people like you love to talk about people, but cry immature when they respond. Shouldnt people set the record straight or just let people run around in the media spreading false ideas like yours. Nuff said!

  14. renhoekk2 - Aug 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Sorry to inform you Rich but the organization made investments in other players beside RGIII. What about them? Are they supposed to “rot on the vine” and endure losing seasons while RGIII tries to become something he obviously is not? Personally I doubt he will. The investment they mad in DJAX is basically two years. Griffin looks AT LEAST that far away from becoming a polished pocket passer? So that is a few million dollars flushed away? And what about Gruden? Is he deemed a failure and kicked out of town if Griffin doesn’t learn how to read a defense? I can go on and on about players that were signed and given large sums of money that will have come and gone while the team holds out hope for Griffin. But like you said, it’s all about RGIII. The other 53 guys be damned.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM

      Here we go again with the “obviously” when you really just don’t know. I don’t know where our expertise comes from where your “personally I doubt” should get any credibility. Or that you know how far away Griffin is from being an effective player.

      Not saying I know either because he hasn’t been given enough time.

      As far as the rest of the team, when they are all doing their jobs the right way then they have the right to complain about Griffin. Some are, but we are a long way from that being the case from top to bottom.

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      • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

        Peyton started in the league a interception king, but given time he improved. Rogers sat behind Favre 3 years etc etc. If Dan wants to be a winning he needs to ignore ignoramous that panic all the time. Patience! Tom told rg3 when your in your system as long as me it will be that easy. The skins need to learn to develope their own talent and stop the quick fix!

        • pikebeda - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:59 PM

          Fred, everyone that interviewed from the PATS also said Cousins was the better QB all week lol!!!

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM

          Thats fine. Im sure rg3 wont be the first or the last qb that has a slump. Just what if the colts would of got rid of peyton when he threw 20 something interceptions. Patience! Cousins is under contract. Property of washington ! Unless you have some other reason you want robert benched!

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:44 PM

          Completely untrue.

          ESPN writer said so and “some in Pats organization” agreed. Opinions based on 3 days of watching camp. Nobody who saw every snap of every practice (and I’m one of those) agreed.

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        • renhoekk2 - Aug 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM

          These other QB were pocket passers who could read defenses and only need to adjust to the speed and complexity of the NFL. They didn’t have to try and become something they are not. Griffin is more like Tim Tebow and Vince Young than Peyton and Rogers.

        • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 6:04 PM

          the n_f_l what have you done for me latelyI tell you people forget fast. r g 3 is a way better passer thenTim tebow and vince young. the man through a lot of good passes his rookie yearand look good outsmarting defenses with his legs and his head.

      • renhoekk2 - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:00 PM

        You are correct Rich, no one knows with absolute certainty at this point, whether Griffin will become a successful pocket passer. But after what you have seen thus far I wonder what your prediction would be if your life depended on it. Mine is that he can’t do it. It’s my opinion.

        My point is that the team invested in other players besides Griffin. Maybe not as much individually but collectively considerably more. What about them? What about what’s fair for them? If the team is not successful while Griffin struggles this season how do you keep them buying in for the whole season? They put their bodies and careers on the line every play. You can’t expect them to buy into the plan that with more experience Griffin might be better in the long term. Players don’t care about that. They won’t buy into it for a full season and definitely not next season if this season is a struggle.

        If the rest of the team is not buying into it, it won’t matter how much time and work Gruden and Griffin put into his development.

  15. ww1posterfan - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    First time commenter. Never played football-I’m a middle-aged woman. I’ve been a fan for 45 years. Grew up in St. Pete, FL and suffered the 0-26. I know and understand the feeling of futility as a fan. Became a Redskins fan because I was a Doug Williams fan and root for both teams. Now to my comments/questions.

    First, I believe Gruden’s hire was specifically focused on helping Robert maximize his potential. Kirk really is a moot point (unless Robert gets injured). I don’t think Gruden is under any pressure to win at any cost this season. Therefore, everyone needs to be prepared to live through Robert’s “growing pains.”

    Having said that, I know what frustrates me or confuses me as a non- football player/coach type is the following:
    – Robert has had ~27 starts, a full off season, hours and hours of film study, time with a QB guru, and access to probably any other help he could conceive and he APPEARS to have regressed. Was the QB coaching he received prior to this year completely inept? Is the time he spends watching film ineffective because no one has taught him what he should be keying on? Was there zero emphasis on pocket presence and going through reads with Matt LeFleur or Kyle? I thought Robert’s feud with the Shanahan’s was that they were not using him as a pocket passer enough endangering his health? From my amateur perspective, Robert appears to put his own health at risk by not learning a throw away first instinct versus a run first instinct. He won’t practice it by his own admission-I think he calls it the keep alive drill? I would expect certain pocket passing fundamentals to have been learned at this point, for example throwing the ball away vice losing 5 yards running out of bounds. My point being that folks focus on fixing the symptom (Robert’s poor play) by inserting someone else (Kirk in this instance) rather than focusing on the real problem-what is holding Robert back from performing better and realistically how much time does he get to get it corrected? I’ve read in the context of other 3rd year QB’s, you typically don’t get 4 years to develop. So, is Robert the exception to the “rule”?

    • fred wilborn - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

      If you are a first round draft pick that has already one the division you do! He is not that bad. Relax people you will see, but if you expect him to be prototypical its not going to happen!

      • renhoekk2 - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:09 PM

        He won the division running a college one read hybrid offense of the actual Shanahan offense that the Shanahan’s implemented after they came to the quick realization that Griffin couldn’t run their offense. Unless Gruden plans on doing the same don’t expect a lot of wins.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:15 PM

          Yeah, all QBs in the NFL are exactly the same as they were in college. Never change, never learn, never evolve.

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  16. kenlinkins - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    OK, Little Joey T’s remarks aside, how many Redskins fans really believe that Cousins gives the Redskins the best chance at winning long term in the NFL? Didn’t Cousins have 3 games at the end of 2013 to prove he should have been the starter and ended up 0-3? How many really believe that Cousins has made a case to be the starter?Doesn’t real game results count for more than playing in 3 preseason games as the primary back up QB? IMO coach Gruden has been a bit more concerned about RG3’s development as a pocket passer in the preseason than trying to get over all results (i.e. points and yards) while he has worked on getting Cousins ready in case of major injury. Let’s remember, Cousins is the insurance policy not the investment. IMO Coach Shanahan’s mismanagement of RG3 from the middle of 2012 to the end of the 2013 season has set back RG3’s development 2 years. Year to date, RG3 has made up some of that ground but still requires more real world game time for the position. I offer as proof, the knock on RG3 is that he is holding the ball too long, reads are taking too long, slow check off on blitz’s and late delivering the ball to WR’s. Doesn’t that mean that the game has not yet slowed down for him while he is in the pocket? He understands the system which is what keeps most young QB’s on the bench with a chip broad trying to learn the offense. The best way for him to over come his pocket short comings of the speed of the game is to play! But you have to give Little Joey T credit, he has found a way to get Redskins fans talking about him again!

    • renhoekk2 - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:18 PM

      You really want to hold Cousins accountable for those last three losses. The team was 3-10 with a lame duck coach. Did you watch the any of those games? Can you honestly say you believe that they were giving full effort? You can’t throw a QB in at 3-10 and expect many wins, If any.

      And you think Griffin is the only QB on the roster who might have improved? Was Cousins out playing golf all off season while Griffin was working on his craft? People are blinded by that Heisman and the first year when he ran a one read college offense. Unfortunately Griffin will get another season next year since he will still be under contract but Cousin’s will not be. Which means unless they draft a QB first round they won’t even have anyone to have an actual QB competition next season.

  17. realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    I am completely sick and tired of the fake fans who are screaming put cousins in. Here’s a tip, you want to win now, go find a bandwagon idiots. Wait for the superbowl then root for that team every year. I don’t care who the QB is but I’m not going to rag on rg3 saying sit him sit him when cousins had a chance to prove trade value last year and show leadership (so throw out the “the team quit” excuse) and completely blew it on 3 sorry defenses last year who wasn’t in the position to make a run for the superbowl themselves.

    • Troy Burchfield - Aug 30, 2014 at 12:38 AM

      No u are the real bandwagon fan cousins is apart of the team also and its a team sport god people like u sound so dumb

  18. kenlinkins - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    Rich, It seems that you and Joe T have hit a nerve talking about the Redskins QB position. My question is how many things have the new coaching staff fixed since taking over? There was a very long list of things that required fixing. Safety, CB, Pass Rush, Mike LB, Orakpo and Riley, O-Line, Special teams, developing young talent, better talent a all back up positions, drafting better, and turn overs just to name a few. The Redskins were 3-13 in 2013. In the preseason so far, IYO do the Redskins look like a 3-13 team? IMO they look more like a 8-8 team right now with a chance to get better as the year go’s on if they can avoid major injury’s. While I still have concerns about this team (O-Line, offensive turn overs, lack of D turn overs) I still see some real improvements. How about you? Can you list your most improved areas and the areas you think will cause the Redskins problems going into the last preseason game. Also, any idea when we will start to the cuts that should happen today?

  19. gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    Ok Rich with this thought of yours ‘long term & knee jerking ” why did we invest in WRs when in fact we have needed OL well before either of these two QBs. In fact if you give up as much as we did for RG3 why not invest in OL protection OR does our new HC-QB guru see our OL as being efficient enough for protecting this investment (RG3)?
    Heck Jordan Reed would be just as effective as a running QB, at least he could take the hits with our OL being as porous as it seems.

    Also its very clear that IF this is the system Gruden will play on week one Cousins is the better QB at this point.Just a little note RG3 has four official sacks and 24 plays he has been sacked or lost yards with a 46 QB RATING …while
    Cousins has 1 official sack and 9 plays he has been sacked or lost yards …with a 101.6 QB RATING .I think this is what THEISMANN was getting at )
    IMO I think it will all work out because Cousins has been learning from the sidelines and has had some regular season reps while RG3 was out, if history repeats itself RG3 will not last long as he has never finished an NFL season, giving Cousins more opportunities to become the starter and possibly prove to be our #1 QB.


    • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      I don’t remember rg3 being pulled for injuries you moron just go root for another team you loser

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM

      That’s a lot of rambling there with nothing but your predetermined suppositions to back it up. More “very clear” and “in fact” and “will not last” when in fact you have no idea. Backup by preseason stats. *Yawn* Thanks for playing.

      Not sure what you call two third-round picks but Moses and Long are the future plan for the OL.

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      • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:31 PM

        I think if it was up to these people we would have 12 QBs and if we got an incomplete pass they would bench the qb. These armchair GMs are ridiculous.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        “Backup by preseason stats. *Yawn*” I said that’s what “.I think this is what THEISMANN was getting at”

        “very clear”..The stats with the new staff/system is a FACT at this time, these are the only FACTS we could possibly use.. right?

        “in fact” we did give the farm away to get this player ..did we not, is there any other trade with more given away in the history of this game?

        “will not last long”..”if history repeats itself RG3 will not last long as he has never finished an NFL season” FACT

        you should not read or reply on these things out of context….just be fair is all I ask.

        Well Rich every blog is purely a SUPPOSITION and I did in fact base my supposition off of past facts and I have yet to see you base any of your suppositions off of facts….
        anyways agree to disagree and HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

      • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM

        Backup by preseason stats. *Yawn*” I said that’s what “.I think this is what THEISMANN was getting at”

        “very clear”..The stats with the new staff/system is a FACT at this time, these are the only FACTS we could possibly use.. right?

        “in fact” we did give the farm away to get this player ..did we not, is there any other trade with more given away in the history of this game?

        “will not last long”..”if history repeats itself RG3 will not last long as he has never finished an NFL season” FACT

        you should not read or reply on these things out of context….just be fair is all I ask.

        Well Rich every blog is purely a SUPPOSITION and I did in fact base my supposition off of past facts and I have yet to see you base any of your suppositions off of facts….
        anyways agree to disagree and HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

      • Danindc - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM

        Rich, for some reason you seem invested in rebutting fair criticism of rg3. Why? It’s that or you just don’t know football. I hope it’s the former for your sake. Have you ever played? Just curious.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:44 PM

          Not interesting in arguing fair criticism. Most of the discussion I’ve engaged in today has been with those who have said that there is no hope of Griffin ever getting any better. That is an absurd thing to say.

          I’ve been watching it for 50 years and covering it for 10, I think I know a thing or two. And one thing I know is that impatience, especially with a quarterback, usually leads to the cycle of mediocrity the Redskins have been stuck in for the last 20+ years.

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  20. Caveman Cooking - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Come on, people! Haven’t we had enough of QB controversies in DC????? They’ve served us so well in the past … NOT!

    • tnt66 - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM

      You never have them when the starter actually plays well. Griffin only has his poor play to blame.

  21. realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    these fans remind me of the stupid cowboy fans who wanted jerry to draft manziel they’ll never learn

  22. colmac69 - Aug 24, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    Some interesting points view to say least…..with season rgiii had in 2012 it meant the bar was set at high level in the eyes of lot fans..very hard to kp up that kind of level…… he gets new system to learn and b pocket passer straight of bat……takes time I would imagine and only time will tell if he can transform into what they looking for…no doubt last night wasnt gd all over the board with starting offense (and I was xpecting better performance from rgiii especially)…even if we struggle at start we stay with rgiii unless its really bad…..some say qb position shouldnt b treated any differently to any other but qb is special pos who has to control whole offense while others have one thing to concentrate on…….I understand most points raised here are from fans who are passionate bout redskins but the club have to commit to rgiii and hopefully he developes into player everyone connected with skins is looking for…..

  23. kenlinkins - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    With the Rams Bradford going down with a ACL we might get an idea of what other teams might think Cousins is worth right now. With guys like Sanchez, Mallett, Ponder and Cousins all requiring some kind of trade to be brought to the Rams, we will see which guy the Rams feel has the best chance of becoming a starter right now. While I understand that the asking price for the above QB will effect the QB picked, it is still a good way to get a fresh idea of what other teams see on tape. I wonder just who the Rams have targeted and just where Cousins is on that list? What would you want from the Rams to trade away Cousins? (or McCoy).

    • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM

      No way would I trade away cousins at this point ! Don’t forget RG3 has never played an entire NFL season!

      • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 7:56 PM

        he was sat last year because the season was over, had nothing to do with injuries, what are you tslking about?

  24. skinsgame - Aug 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    What I heard Joe say was “IF there was a competition…” and even if you disagree with his analysis that Griffin is being outplayed, it doesn’t make him wrong. Griffin has not looked very good for a good long while now and doesn’t appear to be making progress in the intellect area of the position. Joe didn’t offer a scientific breakdown of the two players, he simply gave his assesment and he’s not the only one who sees it that way. Robert is doing little to silence his critics and if he keeps it up, Gruden will have little choice but to go a different direction. HTTR

    • realfan82 - Aug 24, 2014 at 7:58 PM

      how good has kirk looked in a regular season game. If he was a real leader we can throw out the “the rest of the players just quit” excuse but its a double standard for you idiots

      • skinsgame - Aug 25, 2014 at 1:07 AM

        I see you trolling down the message board, acting as if you’re some authority. How good Cousins may or may not look is irrelevant to my comments on Griffin finding himself the subject matter of skeptics. If Cousins stinks, how does that help Griffin read a defense or not turn the ball over 2-3 times a half? One has nothing to do with the other. Cousins might not be the answer at QB and, if we are to go by his recent play, it’s beginning to appear that Griffin may not be the answer either.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:12 PM

      agreed! well said! HTTR!

  25. vcuramsfan - Aug 24, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    If the Skins run the 2012 offense, RGIII will win a lot of games (until he gets injured). He has no grasp of being a traditional pocket passer and the Skins will lose a lot of games (until he gets injured).

    • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 8:14 PM

      AGREE 100% vcuramsfan !

  26. gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    Rich questions for you… what other NFL team has the weapons like our offensive team…i.e. Morris, Garcon, Jackson, Reed, Roberts?

    let me ask you this you think we have two number one receivers in Garcon and Jackson? I do
    Now in the past two NFL seasons Morris has the most rushing yards besides A Peterson .
    Reed is young but IMO has played very well, very fast and rarely drops passes.
    what teams have these young weapons?

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:22 PM

      It’s three preseason games, my man. If you don’t get that, I can’t help you.

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      • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:37 PM

        ” Hey, Lache Seastrunk leads the team in rushing! Shiny new object. He’s the starting running back, right? The heck with what Morris did in 2012.

        Ryan Grant, Aldrick Robinson, and Niles Paul are the top receivers in preseason. Garçon, DJax, Reed, you guys are banished to the bench! What have you done for me lately! And Nick Williams leads in TD’s. Obviously, he needs to be the go-to guy in the red zone!

        Great way to run a football team!”

        Rich does this not prove what QB has played better ..lmao just look at what you just posted and CLEARLY COUSINS HAS MUCH LESS TO WORK WITH AND YOU CONTINUE TO DODGE LEGIT QUESTIONS AND DEFEND RG3 PLAY. 46 QBR BTW!..


        • gasngo14 - Aug 24, 2014 at 9:41 PM

          RICH why can’t you admit which QB has played better? WHY?

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 25, 2014 at 4:45 AM

          1). Cousins has played better in 3 preseason game.

          2). It’s meaningless.

          3). You don’t abandon your plan because of 3 preseason games.

          I hope that’s clear.

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 25, 2014 at 4:43 AM

          You’re pretty funny, still trying to put meaning into three preseason games. Have a good one, I have to get back to work.

  27. Ron - Aug 24, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    As earlier posts mention, skins fans know RG3 is not a capable pocket passer that can run Jay Gruden’s offense at this time. It’s not his fault he has never played traditional QB position that way at Baylor, as a matter of fact he had no passing play book in college a la Andrew Luck so his learning curve is steep. Ultimately he may be able to learn to play that position properly but his development is probably years away. Right now he is on a path to be the next Vincent Young. Sad. Start Cousins until he is game ready.

  28. Wxs - Aug 25, 2014 at 2:45 AM

    Ask yourself this question…Why in such a weak quarterback draft did nobody offer a decent pick for Kirk Cousins?

    Don’t worry I’ll wait…

    The fact is the guy isn’t a starter in the Nfl. For as “bad” as Robert was last year Kirk was worse with the same team around him and no knee injury to fall back on. It’s so funny that you “fans” forget how bad Kirk played last season. Remember the 3 straight losses to the 4-12 falcons, 8-8 Cowboys, and the 7-9 giants? Does 19 of 49 for 169 yards ring a bell?

    I’ll take rg’s career 62.7% passing and the potential that had people asking who should be selected first overall by Indy in the 2012 draft

    • colmac69 - Aug 25, 2014 at 7:57 AM

      U have to rem redskins could easily won games vs atl and dallas….wasnt cousins fault they lost both….giants game was played in horrible conditions with players just looking to finish yr…….cousins makes mistakes but he does lot gd stuff as well…..however rgiii is the man and the skins have to stay with him even if we losing unless there is real signs that he not going to b the qb everyone is xpecting him to b…..

  29. greed - Aug 25, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Ummmm yeah its preseason you guys need to calmdown no need to panic now

  30. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    Well one thing I know is obvious! i’m glad many here are not running the team and instead are fans just like me. RG3 has had to work with a reduced rookie camp year one due to the CBA. Last season he was unable to even practice with the 1st team up until the week before the 1st regular season game. Shanahan pulled RG3 from the last 3 games and gave it to Cousins which translates to shorten season for RG3. Cousins played well at times and other times did not. Now we have many here jumping to put Cousins ahead of RG3. The same Cousins who had more INTs than TD passes so far in his career. The same Cousins who passes tend to sail on him and when playing 1st team defenses it is an invitation to more drive killing INTs.

    I welcome the struggles RG3 has now since I prefer to see them in a preseason than a regular season. He WILL be the starting QB this season. If he overcomes these difficult days, I welcome to see many apologies from you hapless fans that think Cousins provides a better future now than RG3. Give me a break! Manning was 3-13 his rookie season in contrast RG3 was ROY. Did Indy fans ask for a replacement to Manning after his rookie season? What were some of you naysayers playing so-called experts writing and saying about RG3 then?

    I’ve seen those precise throws by RG3 to know he has the ability.
    I’ve seen the passes over the back side of a CBs shoulder to know he has the ability.

    Before you start lynching his career, how about allowing our biggest investment in Franchise history the time to at least learn a new coach coaches system and work out the timing with two new starting WRs.

    • tnt66 - Aug 25, 2014 at 4:42 PM

      Yes, it is pre season but only a fool would ignore the red flags . Griffin was bad last year. Not just a little bad but horrendous. He showed a lack of awareness and pocket presence. He has poor mechanics and footwork and he just made plain bad decisions.. That game against KC was the worst performance by a QB I had seen in years. That year happened . The fact that he is exhibiting such poor play in the preseason is more than a little concerning and it would be foolish to ignore. Rich and you other true believer s can shout to the roof top about his potential and high ceiling but this team has been been killed in the past by players with high potential who don’t perform. If he continues to play this poorly into the regular season there will be a quarterback controversy whether you acknowledge it or not. Fine to wait if the guy shows improvement but His poor play can’t be allowed to condemn the rest of the team and the fans to 2-3 losing seasons while they discover he’s a bust. Also very disturbing the reports coming out of the locker room that he’s alienated many of the other players

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:19 PM

        Only a tool would deny the reality of the fact that last season he had no OTAs or TCs and came in one season removed from being a rookie to starting QB. Preparation is a necessity for any young QB and RG3 didn’t have any. Instead of pulling him 3 games out of the end of the season, he should have been held off for 3 games in the beginning. That would most likely have been best for his growth. His growth has been stymied for as much to do with poor coaching decisions as it was to do with his ego. Yes, the young QB needs to work on his attitude some. I admit I was on board with RG3 starting game one last season. However, I wasn’t the coach and I expect the coach should have known better. We all know better now.

        No one from what I read, including Rich, has ignored what happened and does acknowledges his struggles. Hell, I was one yelling during the game at RG3 how bad he looked. We expect him to improve are committed to him, but understand it is just preseason. SF looked like the worst team in the NFL after two preseason games but does anyone think they will be during the regular season? Rich, most other fans, and I aren’t the ones coming to ridiculous conclusions of bust and lets start Cousins now over a heavily invested QB coming off a ROY season and then struggling after recovering from a ACL/LCL injury while have NO OTA. The rush to these conclusions is immature if not amateur.

        Also you can’t compare the failure of past players to current struggles of ones today. Especially at the quarterback position.

        • tnt66 - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:45 PM

          Like it of not the preseason means something. He’s not going to miraculously start playing well when the season starts if he is playing poorly in preseason. He’s had two full OTAs and started too many games to be playing at his current level. When he’s throwing interceptions and blowing games in the regular season let me know how you feel then.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 6:13 PM

          I know what preseason means for teams. It’s all about preparation. For a QB; it’s about getting your reads down, working on the timing with the WRs/TEs, and getting ready for real game speed. For RG3 this season; it also means learning a new system under a new head coach/offensive coordinator. There are similarities in schemes from last season but there is still a learning curve. There is also still the process of learning to better work in the pocket and scramble better when you have to. You see Cousins played under a similar scheme at Michigan State, didn’t have major knee surgery, didn’t have to learn to play against 1st team players, and hasn’t had to live under the scrutiny of being a franchise investment, etc. I want to see an environment where he has the best opportunity to grow while some fans are creating an environment that indicates he has already failed, is a bust, and should not be the starter. It’s wrong what you fans are doing to this kid! Like it or not he probably reads this BS and he deserves a better fanbase than he has been given.

          Also, every year some of the best teams have poor preseasons. Those same teams miraculously turn it around when the season starts. Will RG3? Probably no but I expected some struggles early. I didn’t expect the lynching by fans I’m seeing already. I thought we were better and smarter than Cowboy Fans.

      • fred wilborn - Aug 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM


  31. tnt66 - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    And what is immature is name calling. You don’t know me so keep the “amateur ” comments to yourself. I disagree with your opinion but I can do so without insulting you.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM

      Insinuating others are fools is name calling. You stated that on your first statement of your first response. I don’t like being insinuated to as a fool any more than you’d like being insinuated as immature.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 5:59 PM

        However, I’ll be the first to apologize if you were offended since we are after all big fans for the same team.

        • tnt66 - Aug 25, 2014 at 7:01 PM

          I accept your apology and apologize myself. We both just want what’s best for the team. All these years of losing just rubs my nerves raw and that pitiful showing from him the other night was the straw that broke the camel’s back. .I hope you are right about Griffin but feel it in my bones he’s never going to be a good pocket passer.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM

          It rubs me the wrong way as well! If you heard me vocally during the game I know I said some of the same things Fans have posted here. However, I want to believe cooler heads to prevail. I have club season tickets that are not cheap and I don’t want to waste another year like last years. It was difficult even getting ready to head to the stadium at times. Thank God for Beer and Crown Royal

        • tnt66 - Aug 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM

          Yep, thank goodness for beer. Some of the decisions this team has made over the last 20 years have driven me to drink. But they are my team and always will be. HTTR! Archives

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