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Need to Know: Redskins pile up yards but losses mount, too

Nov 18, 2013, 5:45 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Monday, November 18, seven days before the Washington Redskins host the San Francosco 49ers.

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Five notes from the Redskins 24-16 loss to the Eagles on Sunday:

1. The Redskins were outscored 7-0 in the first quarter, making their cumulative first-quarter deficit for the season 51 points (81-30). The last time they had such a bad first-quarter margin through 10 games was in 1959 (52 points). That team went 3-9 and was last in the NFL in both scoring and points allowed.

2. Washington piled up 427 yards of total offense, marking the third game in a row that they have gone over 400 yards of offense. That was the first time they had done that since Weeks 7-9 of the 1983 season. The ’83 Redskins went 2-1 in those three games, the current team was 1-2.

3. Washington had four net passing yards in the first half (Robert Griffin III had 26 yards passing minus 22 yards lost on three sacks). That was their fewest net passing yards in the first half since the Steve Spurrier era. Patrick Ramsey passed for 32 yards in the first two quarters against Dallas in Week 9 in 2003. But the Cowboys sacked him four times for 43 yards in losses, putting the net passing yardage at minus-11.

4. The Redskins had 160 yards rushing at intermission with Alfred Morris leading the way with 86, Griffin with 39, and Roy Helu with 24. Only one other time in the last eight years has a team had 160 or more rushing yards in the first half of a game. In Week 17 of the 2011 season the Falcons amassed 186 yards rushing in the first half. Atlanta led the Bucs 42-7 at intermission that day; the Redskins trailed 17-0 at halftime yesterday.

5. With 41 yards receiving Santana Moss pushed past 10,000 yards receiving for his career. He becomes the seventh active player to surpass that mark (Tony Gonzalez, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin).

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Timeline

—Days until: Monday night 49ers @ Redskins 7; Giants @ Redskins 13; Chiefs @ Redskins 20

—Today’s schedule: Mike Shanahan news conference 3:00, telecast on Comcast SportsNet

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  1. clp5150 - Nov 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    I, for one, am not going to dwell on the negative. I’m going to discuss the positive. Let’s see….uhmmmmmm….

  2. kenlinkins - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Rich, This is the first year I can remember that I could not figure out what is wrong with the Redskins. You can use stats to make some points, both good and bad but being 3-7 without being able to point to the ONE BIG thing has me thinking that maybe Coach Shanahan has lost the locker room. I have seen coach’s who have worn out the Rah Rah talks before and this looks like on of those teams. The Team just doesn’t seem to be “buying” into the “Follow me boys” act any more. When guys like Kerrigan, Morgan, Fletcher, Moss and RG3 seem to make statements in code (Something must change, I do not know why I lost my job, etc.) it would seem there is bigger problem than we the fans can see. Rich: I ask this question, Have you seen any change in the locker room from 2012 to 2013 or from game 1 2013 to now? The reporters are our eyes and ears, so much of what happens in Pro Sports does not (and I guess can not) get written. What are the players saying, who do they blame, in short what is the buzz of players you have learned to believe in about what has happened to the 2013 Redskins? PS: I know a few guys who have played for Mike Shanahan, they ALL say he is a players coach, I just do not see it or is there a group of players fighting him (i.e. system, rules, control). Thanks

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      I don’t think that he has lost the locker room. As you noted, he’s a player’s coach and that has bought him a lot of currency. But it’s something that could happen.

  3. manchild157 - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    It’s hard for coaches to make A+ players out of C quality players. It goes to show how well Griff played last year to inspire these guys to go 10-6. It’s a heavy load for a 2nd year qb to rise up and carry a team but recovering from knee surgery and doing this is near impossible. Not enough leaders….who are playing dominant football to rally the troops to follow them. Salary Cap penalty rears it’s ugly head in the form of not being able to sign free agents who could help, instead we get what we can afford which outside of Garcon I can’t think of someone who is a B+ type player who wasn’t drafted. Next year won’t be enough time to fix it either, probably 2 more off seasons. But it can be fixed…it has to be fixed but who now can say if Shanahan will be around to see it?

  4. Rich Tandler - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I get the salary cap thing and all that. But the question I counter with is this: If Mike Shanahan gets A+ players, will he be able to get the most out of them? Do you see signs that he’s getting the best out of the talent he has? Are the Redskins smart, disciplined, overachievers? Are they any one of those three things?

    OK, that’s more than one question but you get it. When the Redskins do get the talent, can Shanahan make the most of it. Because you aren’t going to win a Super Bowl unless the coach is getting the max out of all 53 players on the roster.

    Is Mike Shanahan the guy who can do that?

    • kenlinkins - Nov 18, 2013 at 5:51 PM

      Rich, Now that is the $64.00 question every Redskins fan must ask themselves but I am not sure I am ready to answer the day after a tuff lost in which we saw the “reason for the season” end (i.e. play offs).

    • rahwayhomey - Nov 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

      this is an easy answer, Of Course he can. He is a 2 time winning SB Champion. He made the playoffs last yr with a $18 mil penalty, no 2nd round pick, and a team still recovering from Cerrato draft picks. People don’t realize how HUGE this is. To think we are now $36 mil short of of all other NFL teams, no wonder were 3-7. And actually, w/ a couple good bounces, we could easily be 6-3. Where our $$ shortfall hurts is Special Teams, can’t buy a top returner, hurts on our OL as we couldn’t be a player in FA needing a top RT, & at least a center & RG. You tell me London Fletcher would be starting for any other NFL team? No he wouldn’t, but we couldn’t get a guy like Carolina got. Oh guess what Carolina is top 5 D. this is no coincidence. Shanahan’s proof is all the players that comment, say morale is good in locker room, guys aren’t giving up or turning on each other or coaches.

      • Rich Tandler - Nov 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

        You offer a good mix of valid reasons and excuses here, rahwayhomey. The cap penalty is a legit reason. But who forced them to drop $12 million over two years on Josh Morgan, who was coming off of a serious injury? And this was completed within an hour of the start of free agency. If you want Morgan, let him shop for a while and get him at a lower price.

        Maybe London couldn’t start for another team but they sure paid him like he could. 2 years, $10.75 million.

        No OL? How about using that third on someone who could be starting for you in his second year instead of Josh LeRibeus?

        Couldn’t afford a top returner? Trindon Holliday was on the street last year. Denver snapped him up, he’s making $480K this year.

        And, when you look at it, $18 million per year is a shortfall of 15%. Should that decimate your talent base?

        This year, the Redskins are able to utilize almost all of their cap since they have so few injuries. Dallas’ D is racked by injuries, NYG can’t keep a RB on the field, GB missing starting QB and key WR. I think most of them would rather deal with 15% less on their cap and everyone healthy than the other way around.

        I don’t think Shanahan is a terrible coach but what he did 15 years ago is of little consequence. He has yet to convince me that he has what it takes to win consistently and to compete for a Super Bowl title. Maybe that moment will come in these last six games.

        As of now, I don’t think he should be fired because there is something to the issues you bring up. But I have enough doubt that I don’t give him an extension and see what he can do with his legacy at stake.

        • hailyeah1 - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

          well the offense doesn’t seem to be the problem even though Kyle’s play calling is questionable ,its the defense mainly the pass defense is what is killing us letting to many big plays happen.
          Rocca can’t punt his way out of a wet paper bag right now and the special teams are not up to par
          so if one phase is clicking and the other 2 are sputtering chances are you have losing record and that is what we have at 3-7. its clear that Haselet has to go not Shanahan his schemes aren’t working and we might need to go back to a 4-3 to better use our talent .

    • manchild157 - Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      Thanks for responding Rich.
      1- Can he get A+ players to respond? Yes, the players that are A+ RG3, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Garcon, Morris, have all been battling with a ”no quit” attitude.
      2-Does he get the most out of the talent he has? Probably not, but could any coach realistically have done better? He started in the hole by dismantling the team, got younger, changed to 3-4 defense, had to acquire players to play 3-4,traded a bunch of picks to acquire a franchise qb and in doing so we are handcuffed for 3 years in being able to acquire 3 more A+ players, Then there’s the cap penalty to further stymie depth.
      3- Are the Redskins overachievers? Not the position coaches except the rb coach possibly. Players responded last year and certainly over achieved. Still a massive amount of undisciplined football being played, from Merriweather repeatedly helmet to helmet, to S.T.s not executing blocking formations on returns. They get a big fat failing grade on discipline. Smarts? I think that Shanahan has drafted smarts, leaders, but even smart players can look dumb when you’re losing.
      4-Shanahan has proved in the past he can coach but I’m not certain that aspects of coaching may have passed him by. Not everyone can be Tom Coughlin unfortunately. I think Shanahan is still a above average evaluator of talent and that’s his strongest attribute.
      5-Can he take us to a Super Bowl? He’ll play out his contract next year and be gone. He won’t be fired before that because Snyder has a reputation of a coaching carousel and who will want to come coach here with an owner like that? Snyder has to let him finish the job so he doesn’t scare off the next coach of the Redskins.

  5. Troy - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    The Redskins have players that are much well suited for a 4 3 defense. Find new coaches that support that and with the additions of free agents, next year the offense will not have all of that pressure.

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